Re: Special Web Page Proposal for W3C site - discussing proper use of WCAG Techniques

On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 AM, Kerstin Probiesch <k.probiesch@gmail.com> wrote:
> One question: I have two comments about the failures. Which is right channel: public comments or mailing list?

Hi Kerstin,

Two comments about what (which doc?).

If it is this document - post them here or on the document. 

If it is about the   Understanding WCAG 2.0 document or Techniques document  post them to the Public Comment List

If it is just a general question you want an official answer to from the Working Group - also post it to the Public Comment List. 


Gregg
--------------------------------------------------------
Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Director Trace R&D Center
Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison
Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4all.info
Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International - http://Raisingthefloor.org
and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project -  http://GPII.net

On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 AM, Kerstin Probiesch <k.probiesch@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gregg, Shadi, all,
> 
> thanks for starting.
> 
> I agree with Shadi's suggestions.
> 
> One question: I have two comments about the failures. Which is right
> channel: public comments or mailing list?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Kerstin
> 
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Shadi Abou-Zahra [mailto:shadi@w3.org]
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2013 09:21
>> An: Gregg Vanderheiden
>> Cc: GLWAI Guidelines WG org; Eval TF
>> Betreff: Re: Special Web Page Proposal for W3C site - discussing proper
>> use of WCAG Techniques
>> 
>> Hi Gregg,
>> 
>> Thank you very much for getting this started! I think this will be a
>> useful resource in many ways, including for reuse in WCAG-EM.
>> 
>> A couple of initial comments:
>> 
>> #1. The document does not describe the relationship between techniques
>> and failures to the WCAG2 Success Criteria. There is some wording in
>> Understanding WCAG 2.0 that could be at least referenced to put this
>> resource more in context of the overall WCAG2 framework and resources.
>> 
>> #2. The document seems to primarily talk about techniques and failures
>> document by the WCAG WG and does not talk much about the possibility
>> for other techniques and failures. This may reinforce the unfortunate
>> myth that only WCAG WG can document techniques and failures.
>> 
>> #3. (Minor) the overall tone seems more preventive and negative rather
>> than inviting. For example, how about something like "The Role of
>> Techniques and Failures in WCAG 2" rather than "Proper Use of WCAG 2.0
>> Techniques and Failures"? I think we need to find the balance between
>> explaining what techniques and failures are, and cautioning potential
>> misuse due to misunderstanding of their intended purpose.
>> 
>> Regards,
>>   Shadi
>> 
>> 
>> On 15.2.2013 00:56, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have for some time had a problem with people misunderstanding WCAG
>> 2.0 Techniques and Failures.  Many have thought that the Techniques
>> were required in order to conform to WCAG 2.0.    We have done a number
>> of things to address this -  but not always with success.
>>> 
>>> A suggestion was made that we create a single page with a simple
>> message that could be pointed to by people wishing to make proper use
>> of the Techniques clear.   It was pointed out that such a page would be
>> useful to many stakeholders and organizations, including the WCAG 2.0
>> Evaluation Taskforce.
>>> 
>>> Such a page is posted for comments and suggestions at
>>> http://tinyurl.com/WCAGTechNote
>>> 
>>> This page allows you to directly comment on the page.   The page will
>> be edited dynamically, so you can return to the page to see changes.
>> You can also subscribe to the page to have comments and changes sent to
>> you directly as they happen.  (click on the Comments button and select
>> "notification options".)
>>> 
>>> The options you will find there are
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gregg
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>> Director Trace R&D Center
>>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering and Biomedical Engineering
>>> University of Wisconsin-Madison Technical Director - Cloud4all
>> Project
>>> - http://Cloud4all.info Co-Director, Raising the Floor -
>> International
>>> - http://Raisingthefloor.org and the Global Public Inclusive
>>> Infrastructure Project -  http://GPII.net
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ Activity Lead,
>> W3C/WAI International Program Office Evaluation and Repair Tools
>> Working Group (ERT WG) Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)
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