Re: [html-techs-tf] Minutes from July 23, 2012

Does anyone have a concern over using examples that do not implement native
semantic html? For instance, the example at hand uses images as buttons,
when it could easily have used image buttons instead. Sure, it is good to
know that this can be done when there is a need for it, hence the value of
these examples, but for us, is there a danger that integrating these
examples into wcag will lend the impression that this is a best practice,
when it is actually not? Or, perhaps a clear note on the issue indicating
that aria is reserved for situations when native html is not possible would
suffice.
 What say you

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>wrote:

>  See below for the minutes from today's meeting. I neglected to ask
> rrsagent to make the minutes so these are from the IRC log. Please reply
> with any corrections.
>
> Thanks to Adam for scribing.
>
> Also - note that example 38 from
> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/example/38/ looks to be a good live
> example around which we can build a variety of techniques.
>
>
> <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
> james: techniques need to be complete  (test, etc.)
> james: see above link for guidelines on how to create technique
> <Loretta_> See also http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Instructions
> jon: difficulty involved in aria testing for test procedure
> james: criterion for passing test doesn't necessarily involve
> technology-specific testing, such info might appear in user agent notes
> loretta: discussed having complete standalone aria examples - jon's
> examples might be useful for that
> jon: could start with role="button"
> james: that's 4.1.2
> <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/ARIA1
> <Joshue> +1 to Marc
> marc: we have existing aria techniques (advisory) - see link above
> <Joshue> That's a good basis at least..
> james: they are a bit old
> loretta: someone should review them and update if necessary - perhaps
> upgrade to sufficient
> loretta: existing technique is pretty simple and the example is long, once
> they get long people won't read them
> loretta: if we have standalone live examples, we could trim the technique
> code down in size
> loretta: first step in workflow is getting the whole, live examples created
> loretta: need page to host the code
> james: link could allow source downloading, should host on w3c site
> james: jon has open-ajax examples - could we reference them?
> <marcjohlic> Location of Flash example:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/working-examples/FLASH15/custom_reading_order_as3.html
> james: replicate them to w3c site
> jon: no problem with replication of open ajax examples
> <Joshue> Thanks Jon
> jon: I can package whole examples to transfer for the group's use
> <jongund> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examples/
> <jongund> http://hanshillen.github.com/jqtest/#goto_slider
> james: concern over adding jquery examples
> joshua: at least talk to hans to see if we can use his examples
> james: test needs to be testable w/o jquery dependency
> <marcjohlic> Looks like there is already a working examples directory for
> ARIA1:  http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/working-examples/ARIA1/
> action: joshua to investigate hans' examples
> <Joshue> I'll ping Hans
> <jamesn> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/example/3/
> james: let's start with (above link) for button example
> james: technique for 1.1.1?
> jon: two types of buttons in example 3
> loretta: possible technique for state
> jon: using jquery here for functionality
> james: could write standard javascript to replace the jquery code
> jon: difference between buttons and links - often mixed up - screen reader
> users can miss buttons because of this
> jon: wcag might provide guidance when to use button or link
> loretta: this type of failure is not relevant to aria
> james: link instead of button - failure for 4.1.2?
> adam: widespread ramifications for failing link instead of button
> loretta: techniques are mapped to success criteria, aria presents new
> tools for meeting these criteria, aria example would generally encompass
> many criteria. and we need a way to present a complete coherent example
> james: what about silverlight examples?
> loretta: we should pick set of live examples, where the techniques show a
> snippet of a live example and point to that example for reference
> james: simple examples better than production-ready code
> loretta: jon most familiar with examples - should search for best set of
> examples to work with
> jon: techniques for focus management?
> loretta, james: tabindex, active-descendant
> <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
> <jamesn> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/example/38/
> <jamesn> The example we are going to use to start writing techniques is
> example 38 - http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/example/38/
>
>
>  Regards, James
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