- From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
- Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:13:22 -0800
- To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>
- Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAHu5OWYaaPG6j=OpoQTJkgWW3B=X03QYZvRkorYCbw=oukcYWg@mail.gmail.com>
ok, let's put this back on the agenda again for next week. Detlev, any chance you could join us? On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de> wrote: > Hi WCAG WG, > > I learned that after James Nurthen had devised a technique that shows > failure of content to scale under page zoom, the discussion has now > concluded that F69 should be simply dropped. > > From an evaluation standpoint, the failures are of critical importance > since they do not come with the usual disclaimer that "failure to conform > does not mean that the SC is not met" - a statement that we find under > nearly (?) all tests in techniques, making them difficult to use in a > conclusive evaluation procedure. > > So I propose to think twice before deleting failures that provide at least > *some* measure of assessing conformance to success criteria. I can find no > argument why the proposed new example for F69 > http://jnurthen.users.sonic.**net/resize.html<http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/resize.html> > > ..is unsuitable to demonstrate a failure of supporting page zoom. It > 'works' in several browsers that I tried it in. > > Regards, > Detlev > > Quoting Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>: > > Minutes of the 10 November 2011 WCAG meeting are posted to >> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html>and copied below. >> >> >> Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference >> >> >> 10 Nov 2011 >> >> See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-irc<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-irc> >> > >> >> >> Attendees >> >> Present >> Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon, >> Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, jongund, >> James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden >> Regrets >> Chair >> Loretta_Guarino_Reid >> Scribe >> AWK >> >> >> Contents >> >> * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda> >> > >> 1. 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 >> and F69 >> <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01> >> > >> 2. Data table requirements >> <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02> >> > >> * Summary of Action Items >> <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#** >> ActionSummary<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#ActionSummary> >> > >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> >> <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011 >> >> <MichaelC> Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology >> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/**methodology/<http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/> >> > >> >> >> 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and F69 >> >> <MichaelC> scribe: AWK >> >> <adam> i am working on my mic - cant hear in the meantime >> >> <scribe> *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for >> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in >> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01> >> **] >> >> <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write new technique for 1.4.4 failure >> for CSS related to failure related to zoom. [on James Nurthen - due >> 2011-11-17]. >> >> *RESOLUTION: delete F69 and revise response to 2513 to reflect that >> decision.* >> >> >> Data table requirements >> >> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/**35422/20111110misc/results<http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111110misc/results> >> >> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/**NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51<http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51> >> >> *RESOLUTION: Discussion of three table questions with Jon G resulted in >> his understanding how the WG interprets WCAG and tables in 1.3.1* >> >> >> Summary of Action Items >> >> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for >> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in >> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01> >> **] >> >> [End of minutes] >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl >> <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%**7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/**scribedoc.htm<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm> >> > >> version 1.136 (CVS log <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/**2002/scribe/<http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/> >> >) >> $Date: 2011/11/10 23:06:45 $ >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Cooper >> Web Accessibility Specialist >> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative >> E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org> >> Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/**cooper/<http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/> >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--- > Detlev Fischer PhD > DIAS GmbH - Daten, Informationssysteme und Analysen im Sozialen > Geschäftsführung: Thomas Lilienthal, Michael Zapp > > Telefon: +49-40-43 18 75-25 > Mobile: +49-157 7-170 73 84 > Fax: +49-40-43 18 75-19 > E-Mail: fischer@dias.de > > Anschrift: Schulterblatt 36, D-20357 Hamburg > Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 58 167 > Geschäftsführer: Thomas Lilienthal, Michael Zapp > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--- > >
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