- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:43:27 -0500
- To: "'Joe Clark'" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "'WAI-GL'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Joe Please do not equate a comment on a single post to the opinion of the full group. This is a list for open discussion and many ideas are posted by many people just to try them out. It is good to comment on the post or idea. Please do not attribute any opinions expressed though as being those of the working group unless they are posted specifically saying that consensus was reached on the point. Thanks. And thanks for your comments on this. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Joe Clark Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:14 PM To: WAI-GL Subject: RE: question: fixed vs. liquid layout > In my mind there is no question, flexible and fluid, > > give control to the user, not end content with fixed presentation. The user *always* has control via user CSS-- though that is extremely difficult to apply with randomly-named divs. > that is, to me a guiding light of accessibility It is, however, an uninformed and utopian declaration that ignores *quite a lot* of discussion about fixed, liquid, and Jell-O layouts that has already gone on among standards-compliant developers. So no, in fact not all fixed layouts are bad and not all liquid ones are good. I promise you I can break every single one of them within minutes. Nor are layouts with some fixed and some liquid components necessarily good or bad. In any event, this esteemed Working Group simply doesn't have enough knowledge of graphic design, information architecture, or psychology of reading to issue any kind of credible detailed opinion on layouts. There is, moreover, the years-long anti-design bias, where any site that looks nice is automatically assumed inaccessible (fixed layouts being a useful scapegoat there). And do keep in mind that some of you still think pixels are a fixed unit. The standardistas are way ahead of you on this and what they're doing should be researched. -- Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org Accessibility <http://joeclark.org/access/> Expect criticism if you top-post
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