- From: Slaydon, Eugenia <ESlaydon@beacontec.com>
- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:30:55 -0400
- To: "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <charles@w3.org>
- Cc: "'jonathan chetwynd'" <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
But to say that a site absolutely will not meet standards if it doesn't use relative font-sizes is a big deal. As a developer I am told that I must make the site look right, work, meet standards AND do so in NN 4.x and above and IE 4.x and above. Netscape 4.x doesn't just not support relative font sizes - it destroys them. So what is the lowly developer to do? I think one of the reasons that developers don't follow accessibility standards is because they can be so difficult to implement. Granted the newer browsers are going to make that easier but most developers aren't given the option of coding for their favorite browser. -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:48 PM To: Slaydon, Eugenia Cc: 'jonathan chetwynd'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: magnifiers vs relative font-sizes No, it is saying that people who use Netscape 4.x browsers shouldn't expect it to handle HTML and CSS very well under certain circumstances. I don't have any problem with people using Netscape 4.x (or any other browser) if they happen to like it and it suits their needs, but I have a big problem with people turning up with broken systems and expecting that the Web be broken to match. As well as with sites that do break the Web to match such systems. They tend to be simple problems - I think the most common is "I can't make a payment here so I will go find another provider". I don't expect peoploe to resolve the problems caused by bugs in my browser (the one that annoys me most is missing some CSS-positioning, although it isn't more than cosmetic until people try to use presentation to convey critical structure information). I have a strong reason for preferring relative font-sizes - they are what I need to be able to keep reading for the day. In fact some of my browsers do pretty good zooming. The ones that require proper coding... Chaals On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Slaydon, Eugenia wrote: >I still have a problem with pushing for relative font-sizes in CSS because >it is destroyed in Netscape. Saying that you must use relative font sizes >instead of absolute for accessibility is the same as saying you aren't >allowed to use a Netscape 4.x browser. > >Eugenia > >-----Original Message----- >From: jonathan chetwynd [mailto:j.chetwynd@btinternet.com] >Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:23 AM >To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org >Subject: magnifiers vs relative font-sizes > > >Does anyone have strong reasons for preferring relative font-sizes to a >screen maginifier? > >if so what are they? > > >For magnifiers: > >There is a serious conflict between the necessity of >keeping everything on one page, and allowing users to control font size. > >for people with severe learning difficulties, this is particularly acute. > >magnifiers, allow one to gain a feel for the whole document, whilst >enlarging a part. >setting the font size to large makes the document larger than the screen, >and >one looses the ability to percieve the whole. >further, a great number of people don't appreciate that there is more than >one can see. > > >from an offline discussion with Boris Zbarsky, following from a recent brief >thread at www-style: > >scale: font-size to % of client window? > > > >thanks > > > >jonathan chetwynd > > -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +33 4 92 38 78 22 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France)
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