- From: <gian@stanleymilford.com.au>
- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:19:14 +1100
- TO: charles@w3.org, mcmay@bestkungfu.com
- CC: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
- Message-Id: <H00000e000375e03.1012781953.tux.sofcom.com.au@MHS>
Hi, I believe when we are talking about people with disabilities we really need to consider lack of finances and resources as just as important as lack of 'abilities'. A disability unfortunately comes bundled with discrimination, and this isn't just a case of people staring in the street, but also work discrimination, loan discrimination, rental discrimination, etc etc. all that lead to financial discrimination. One of my main clients is the Victorian Department of Human Services Disability Services Division. When I recently upgraded their site to AAA status (and I don't expect email responses telling me it's not accessible because it hasn't been uploaded yet), one of the MAIN requests was that the site was Netscape 2.0 compliant. No that is not a typo. I am talking Netscape 2.0. I was still at Uni when Netscape 2.0 came out! So why? Why does it matter that the site is compliant with Netscape 2.0? Because people, especially people with disabilities who have difficulties with things we take for granted, do not change things they are comfortable with. If they know how to use a browser, they are not going to upgrade. Especially if they are still on a 486 with Windows 3.11. I believe this is inherently an accessibility issue, because, like it or not, the people that we aim to serve with the WCAG do not just have to deal with their physical disability, but also the discrimination that often comes hand in hand. So, in essence, if I had to choose between Netscape and CSS (and I do on a daily basis when recommending designs to clients) I will always choose Netscape, because although IE may have attempted to take over the market, they haven't completely, and until that day comes (let's hope that the American justice system can at least waylay them) I believe Netscape is of more importance to my audience than CSS for navigation and layout. Gian -----Original Message----- From: mcmay [mailto:mcmay@bestkungfu.com] Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2002 6:14 AM To: charles Cc: w3c-wai-gl Subject: Re: text as images... > So here we have a dilemma. There is a loss of presentation quality if text > is rendered as images. There is a loss of presentation quality if people use > Netscape, and the author "correctly" uses CSS to style the text. > > Do we have a mechanism for working out whether one of these is a bigger > problem in terms of accessibility? At this point in time, I have to say I believe non-current Netscape compatibility should no longer be a consideration. First, this is primarily a problem with Netscape 3, since it doesn't support CSS at all. But version 3 has been obsolete for five years, and CSS support is adequate in most competitive browsers released since then. Version 4 has its own idiosyncrasies, but sometimes it does what's necessary. Version 6 is more than adequate (and by the time WCAG 2 is released, a version of Netscape 6 based on Mozilla 1.0 should be available). Previously, we've broached the subject of a user's responsibility to keep up to some extent with browser technology. I think this is an ideal example of where we say it is a user's responsibility to be on a browser that supports standards adequately. In the situation of Netscape, where better options are available for the user, I can't find an argument for including non-recent versions of it in a set of user agents for which developers should explicitly increase access. Updates are free, readily available and internationalized. Netscape's earlier support of standards was unimpressive at best. And, perhaps more importantly, where IE is embedded in other applications/kiosks, etc., Netscape largely is not, which means there are few barriers that I can see to get off the platform where accessibility for, say, low-vision users, is a concern. - m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org> To: <gian@stanleymilford.com.au> Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; <wendy@w3.org> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: text as images... > So here we have a dilemma. There is a loss of presentation quality if text > is rendered as images. There is a loss of presentation quality if people use > Netscape, and the author "correctly" uses CSS to style the text. > > Do we have a mechanism for working out whether one of these is a bigger > problem in terms of accessibility?
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