- From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:33:45 -0400
- To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "GLWAI Guidelines WG \(GL - WAI Guidelines WG\)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Al and Sean,
Thanks muchly for the help.
May I suggest that URI be used sparingly if at all in the
guidelines, or perhaps used as "URI/URL" so that the non-geeks will
understand what is being said. The audience for the guidelines includes the
development community, but goes way past it.... to the non-geek development
community <grin> ...
I would also like to see other common word usages incorporated in
an effort to simplify the language to reach a wider audience than the
"geek" web development community. In the non-geek web savvy world, it's a
URL .... it the non-geek web savvy world, it is a web page, not a document
.... and in the non-geek web savvy world, the opening page of a site (or
root URL) is the Home Page .... I'd favor use of the non-geek words as much
as possible with links to the geek-world words in a glossary....
Anne
At 03:38 PM 9/21/01 -0400, Al Gilman wrote:
>At 08:07 PM 2001-09-20 , Anne Pemberton wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm a bit unclear on the meaning of the acronym URI ... I
> >originally assumed it meant URL, but have seen it used such that it
> >suggests it may be the web site rather than the specific page address that
> >can contain any equivalent versions ... This was under Elephant #11 ... and
> >if it means that a URI is a web site (an address and it's subdirectories,
> >etal) it will neatly suit meeting the needs of all disabled persons without
> >having to draw a line anywhere ....
> >
>
>Let's go to the latest rehash of the consensed items. I believe that the one
>you are referring to is
>
>S1 - serving content in different forms is an acceptable way to comply
>with the guidelines as long as equivalents for all of the information
>are provided in the different forms and it is all available through the
>same URI (though it may be linked to it) (server side solutions are
>acceptable as specified)
>
>Here the extension to "somewhere on the same site" is by the parenthetical
>remark "though it may be linked to it."
>
>I had been interpreting the "from the same URI" in a strict sense and was
>preparing to object until this parenthetical remark sunk in. There is a
>technique known as content negotiation in which a URL can get you different
>things depending on what you have set in your Accept: headers. This give
>transparent access to alternatives.
>
>The point is that this level of transparency is not meant to be _required_ by
>the consensus, at least the way I read the way Gregg wrote it up. If the
>alternative is not immediately at the same URL by transparent content
>negotiation, it is still conforming if the alternatives are easy to discover
>and navigate to, starting at that URL. This implies that a root, home, or
>entry page where people are likeliest to start should be very broadly
>usable so
>that people can find their way from there to the section that is best for
>them.
>
>It's not quite true that being elsewhere on the same site is enough. You have
>to have web-linked the site together enough, too. But so long as the path to
>what you want is via well-greased skids through stuff you can use, then it's
>cool.
>
>On the technicalities, a URL is a URI, and saying 'a URI' doesn't somehow
>expand the reference to include the whole site. There is no
><http://www.foo.bar/>http://www.foo.bar/* way to refer to the whole site as a
>URI.
>
>We should have a FAQ on "why do all the web specifications say URIs and all
>the
>pages contain URLs?"
>
>Al
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