- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
The amaya alternative version of the page: Some things to play with Status of this document This is a rough playing space for my ideas on illustrating concepts, as a way of understanding how to provide better information about it in the Web Content Accessibiltiy Guidelines. Feedback should be sent to the WCAG working group's mailing list. Please look at the archives for relevant threads. This page was last updated at $Date: 2001/08/01 23:16:08 $ and Charles McCathieNevile produced it and may or may not have time to maintain it. Some illustrations for WCAG 2.0 draft of 31 July 2001, checkpoint 3.4 Note that if you are using Internet Explorer it seems not to support HTML 4 (according to user feedback), so I am still working on ways to make this page work properly for browsers that do and work better for that browser. There are two multimedia illustrations of the proposed checkpoint 3.4 in the 31 July draft of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. One is an image: [CMN bug note - it should have provided the alt text for the img element here - "the image being described:" (end bug note)] http://www.w3.org/2001/08/mmcmn/34.png This is a cartoon. On the left is a person looking in confusion at a poster of text. On the right the text has had images added to explain it, and "the light has dawned" - the person now understands the poster. The other is a sound file: Sound file: http://www.w3.org/2001/08/mmcmn/34sound.aif consists of the following text: 3.4 Supplement text with non-text contentSome people can't read writing easily, so add images, sounds, movies and so on to help them understand your message Comments on these are welcome - please add them to the existing thread on these illustrations. I intend to update them, at the very least to include metadata pointing to the different alternative forms. But I don't know when. (end page quote. Seems that your browser doesn't understand HTML 4, which doesn't seem like a good advertisement for it. But if it doesn't handle the plugin, that's a different problem. In any event, you should either get the objects rendered or you should get a link to the object. Otherwise there is a big bad bug in how your browser works, and I am not sure what the workaround is.) Cheers Charles On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: Nothing on this page works with my browser Can you tell me what the non-text is that is on the page? Gregg (sorry for the irony) -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Human Factors Dept of Ind. Engr. - U of Wis. Director - Trace R & D Center Gv@trace.wisc.edu <mailto:Gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <http://trace.wisc.edu/> FAX 608/262-8848 For a list of our listserves send “lists” to listproc@trace.wisc.edu <mailto:listproc@trace.wisc.edu> -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:19 AM To: Joel Sanda Cc: 'Anne Pemberton'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001 Well, I have put a bit of sound and graphics online at http://www.w3.org/2001/08/mmcmn that might be a start at how to actually illustrate 3.4 in a manner that would meet 3.4. That page isn't an attempt to use those things in situ - it is a home for them to be seen, that includes (rudimentary) text equivalents. Note that I have cut the image down to one sixth size and it worked for me, which I thought was good for something that is 640x480 naturally. Comments welcome, but be kind - I already know that I am not a graphic designer <grin/> or communicator of any great talent. Cheers Charles On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Joel Sanda wrote: Anne - The idea of content stabilization is a valid point, but what if content changes are frequent? Any content that changes will need to be designed in alternative formats. Take the WCAG 2.0 document. Is there, since the content isn't stable and always changing, no way to build it so it can conform to the WCAG 2.0 until it is stable? That means that, as a working document, it cannot be accessible, at least according to the WCAG 2.0. My concern is the way 3.4 is written now the group working on the WCAG 2.0 can't adhere to the point while the document is in a working draft. What if someone on the group had to have content in a form specified by 3.4, but can't get it because the content isn't stable? Joel Sanda Product Manager -------------------------------------------------------www.eCollege.com eCollege joels@ecollege.com > p. 303.873.7400 x3021 > f. 303.632.1721 -----Original Message----- From: Anne Pemberton [mailto:apembert@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:27 PM To: Wendy A Chisholm; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: Re: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001 Wendy, Paul, and all, I have absolutely no objections to anything in the newest draft. I will try to read it through tomorrow and give you some help on at least one of the places you asked for help, and, if no one tells you first, there are a few typo/grammar errors that I spotted reading through it. I am so grateful for Paul Bohman's version .... his separating these documents into usable segments helped me understand the organization of the document and it was easier to use this time than previous -- just cause I've seen Paul's organization ... <grin> ... Wendy, Joel Sanda asks about illustrating the illustration content. Can you tell him where to see what I did last time we were asked to do that? We need to stabilize the text before we begin to build the illustrations. Is your illustrator joining us? I look forward to this draft passing the consensus so we don't have to hang a label over this one "under construction" ... with the little earthmover icon!.... Anne At 01:45 PM 7/31/01 -0400, Wendy A Chisholm wrote: >Hello, > >A new draft is available. The 26 July 2001 version did not have updates >to checkpoints 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4. This draft updates >those, as well as incorporates discussion on checkpoint 2.1 from the 26 >July 2001 telecon on the 26 July 2001 working draft. > >Again, I suggest people read the change log first: >http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/change-history.html > >I have identified several issues again and highlighted major changes, such >as combining checkpoints. > >I included my proposed checkpoint 3.4 with some minor changes. I look >forward to responses on this. If it is too controversial, I will revert >back to the previous draft or suggest people provide proposals for >something that is more acceptable. We are working to publish a public >working draft on 10 August 2001. We don't need to have consensus for a >working draft, but we also don't want to publish anything that contains >substantial errors or disagreement. > >If possible, we might just put a placeholder for checkpoint 3.4 that says, >"A checkpoint on providing illustrations will go here. The working group >does not have sufficient agreement to publish anything at this time." > >The draft itself is available at: >http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20010731.html > >For the latest draft, always refer to: >http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/ > >This redirects to the current version. > >I look forward to your comments. >--wendy >-- >wendy a chisholm >world wide web consortium >web accessibility initiative >seattle, wa usa >/-- Anne Pemberton apembert@erols.com http://www.erols.com/stevepem http://www.geocities.com/apembert45 -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +1 617 258 5999 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France) -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +1 617 258 5999 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France)
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