- From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:09:34 -0500
- To: "'Anne Pemberton'" <apembert@crosslink.net>
- Cc: "'w3c-wai-gl@w3.org'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Per one of my action items from last meeting... There's some examples of three images images in a row, with real text labels underneath each, at http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday/wai/tablebutton/index.html It may look visually like text is part of the image but actually it uses separate, real text. These examples: 1. Show that images can be placed in a row, with real textlabels underneath, validate to HTML 4.01, and still have a good reading order (at least when the browser linearizes tables) (It will also work on old browsers that simple ignore links with null alt text). 2. Underline that the issue is not the merit of having a textual description next or visually part of an image. I think we all agree such labels are valuable. The issue is only whether this visual appearance can be implemented acceptably without actually making the text part of the image. 3. Show an extra implementation detail: separating the table cells by cells containing a single <BR>, to improve readability in Lynx. Len At 08:22 AM 12/18/00 -0500, Bailey, Bruce wrote: >I am not suggesting an outright ban on text in graphics. I am asserting >that it is a P2 violation to use graphics to present text. If a content >provider wants to pair icons with words and wishes to do so in fashion that >can be consider accessible, then she has two good choices: SVG or CSS. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On > > Behalf Of Anne Pemberton > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:03 AM > > To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org > > Subject: RE: the text in images issue > > > > > > Bruce, > > > > You may have a point ... I'm not sure where the idea of > > an arrow in the > > right and left corners to indicate next one and back one > > originated, but it > > may be a computer "thing" ... it allows the user control of > > the timing, but > > the arrows are not intuitive symbols, nor is "a" graphic in > > the corners. > > Non-readers see the text "next" as a rectangular blob ... > > > > But as William points out, whatever graphic or word we > > use, the use of it > > to mean "the page that follows this in the series" will have > > to be learned > > ... We've got a start on the bottom left and right corner, > > and arrows are > > the most commonly used graphic... but until they are learned, the text > > needs to be there to make the graphic "accessible" to the > > maximum number of > > people ... > > > > Consider, if the word isn't on the graphic, low vision > > people who need the > > text with the graphic (cuss the fact that they need a crutch, > > but give it > > to 'em), wouldn't have the text there, and they'll be in the > > same boat as > > those who use the web without magnification and need the text > > ... doen't > > magnification users get the mouseover pop-up? > > > > By banning the text on the graphic, you are > > handicapping more people than > > you are "accommodating" ... and the "accommodation" doesn't > > give anything > > more to those who can't see the text on the graphic at their > > magnification > > level, they are still in the dark as much as everyone else ... > > > > Anne > > > > > > At 03:54 PM 12/15/00 -0500, Bailey, Bruce wrote: > >> If an icon image is so weak (or subject to interpretation) > >> that it requires > >> text to illustrate its function -- then either drop the > >> image (and just use > >> the text) or improve the graphic! Unless, of course (and as > >> the case with > >> Anne) the purpose of the page is to teach literacy skills. -- Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D. Institute on Disabilities/UAP and Dept. of Electrical Engineering at Temple University (215) 204-2247 (voice) (800) 750-7428 (TTY) http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday mailto:kasday@acm.org Chair, W3C Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation and Repair Tools Group http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/IG/ The WAVE web page accessibility evaluation assistant: http://www.temple.edu/inst_disabilities/piat/wave/
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