- From: William Loughborough <love26@gorge.net>
- Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:43:45 -0800
- To: "Leonard R. Kasday" <kasday@ACM.ORG>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
At 08:42 AM 12/1/00 -0500, Leonard R. Kasday wrote: >So are these (a) different content/structure or (b) different >presentations? Please answer (a) or (b) :-). I don't mean to be copping out but I think the answer is "both". IOW the same content can be both structured and presented in more than one way. Is a pie chart different from a table or a bar graph or a... The content can not only be presented in various ways, it can be structured in various ways, but the *separated* content is still the content. The message is *the* message. The medium is *a* message (almost unto itself). The medium (presentation) includes variable structures. Most programming tutorials used to start with "turn off your computer". In the same sense of them trying to train you to begin with well-formed pseudo-code so a lot of writing advice has to do with starting with an outline (structure) and filling it in with content. The usual cliche is that 5 % of programmers (writers) can program (write) without commenting (outlining) and 95 % of programmers (writers) think they are part of that 5 %. The possibility of getting individuals to change their long-ingrained habits of "wysiwyging it" seems remote. The possibility of getting the tools they use to make this innate in the process is more hopeful. E.g. when someone puts up a centered, enlarged, specially enfonted phrase, it might be heuristically determined that the intent is for this to be some level of header. Same with all kinds of "presentational" devices, including italics, bold, underlined, font changes, colorizations, etc., etc. The tools must ask "you've just changed color here, does this mean anything?" Potentially every markup element (even a "purely decorative" one) is structural. Why did you put this excerpt from your text into a little box over there under the style class of "sidebar". The jargon is that the markup has meaning but the method used to emphasize/highlight/enhance it is: presentation; under ultimate control of the user, even though a choice is made by the author. If I don't want anybody to ever see my stuff in other than "chilly font" that's just tough. If I'm convinced that the purpose of my content's communication is aborted by removal of "chilly font" then I'll just have to explain that somewhere (metadata?). These are rare circumstances and are even amenable to codification, e.g., when we read to a child saying "see how 'brrrrr' has icicles dripping from the letters?" or to a blind child "the author has illuminated the letters of 'brrrrr' with little icicles" can be handled with some combination of content, alt, and/or longdesc. -- Love. ACCESSIBILITY IS RIGHT - NOT PRIVILEGE
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