- From: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:54:47 -0700
- To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "Wendy A Chisholm" <chisholm@trace.wisc.edu>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
as there are questions surfacing on this issues, could we clarify the guidelines? and state examples like is done for checkpoint 1.1? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy A Chisholm <chisholm@trace.wisc.edu> To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 3:46 PM Subject: Re: disparity in quicktips and guidelines? > although the alternative text for client-side image maps links is not shown > in IE and Netscape - they are available if you tab to them. Thus, as well > as being available in Lynx, HPR, etc., we decided it was not a problem. As > Jim states, however, it is an issue for server-side image maps. > > Charles - why do you feel the issue needs to be reviewed in regards to > non-readers? It seems to me that a non-reader would be using IE or NS with > images loaded. If they are using a screen reader, when they encounter a > client-side image map the alt-text for each region will be read to them as > they tab (we have tested this and it works). > > Am I wrong to assume that a non-reader would most likely rather view the > image map graphic than the alt-text or a redundant text link for each > active region? > > One bit of confusion is that in IE the alt-text of the image map image is > displayed as the tooltip. > > --wendy > > At 12:56 PM 7/9/99 , you wrote: > > > > > >RN: Hmmm, why are image maps Priority 3? When I turn graphics off, all i see > >is the main alt tag for the graphic. Since text links are required, I > would > >have thought a develpoer must require text links for image maps and > therefore > >would be Priority 1. > > > >JT: Alt text for client side maps (areas) is priority 1. Alternative text > links > >is priority 3 because those areas are generally accessible today. Look at > >www.ibm.com/sns which has a map across the top. All alt text is displayed > in IE > >with images off, and spoken with screen readers and text browsers. Even > without > >alt text, Lynx, HPR, and others will at least expose the URL's. Your comment > >seems to be talking about server-side maps - where you would get one alt > text. > >Not using these or providing alterntive text links is priority 1. > > > >Jim Thatcher > >IBM Special Needs Systems > >www.ibm.com/sns > >thatch@us.ibm.com > >(512)838-0432 > > > > > > > >Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> on 07/09/99 11:48:45 AM > > > >To: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> > >cc: WAI GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Robert Neff <robneff@home.com> (bcc: James > > Thatcher/Austin/IBM) > >Subject: Re: disparity in quicktips and guidelines? > > > > > > > > > > > >thread transferred from Education and Outreach Group... > > > >In general it was felt that if a problem was easily handled by Lynx, which is > >freely available for every platform I know of, then it could be regarded as > >an improvement rather than an important barrier. > > > >In light of the disucssion about non-readers in particular, I suspect that > >decision should be reviewed. > > > >Charles McCN > > > >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Judy Brewer wrote: > > > > Robert, > > > > > > You may want to ask this question in the Web Content Guidelines Working > > Group. I recall they had very specific reasons for being able to > > downgrade the priority of 1.5, but can't articulate that well right now. > > > > > > I've put it on the list of things to look over in revising the > > guidelines-- they're getting the list too. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > At 12:01 AM 7/9/99 -0700, Robert Neff wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > <excerpt>Do i see a disparity between the Web Content Accessibility > > Guidelines (WCAG) and Quicktips? > > > > > > > > WCAG 1.5 states, "Until user agents render text equivalents for > > client-side image map links, provide redundant text links for each active > > region of a client-side image map. [Priority 3] " > > > > > > > > Hmmm, why are image maps Priority 3? When I turn graphics off, all i see > > is the main alt tag for the graphic. Since text links are required, I > > would have thought a develpoer must require text links for image maps and > > therefore would be Priority 1. > > > > > > > > Quicktips state "Image maps. Use client-side MAP and text for hotspots." > > Shouldnt we add text redundant links? I was using this for a while and > > then re-realized that text links are needed - turn off graphics! > > > > > > > > comments? > > > > > > > > once we are finished reviwing this comment, can pass over to the GL. > > > > > > </excerpt><<<<<<<< > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > Judy Brewer jbrewer@w3.org +1.617.258.9741 http://www.w3.org/WAI > > > > > Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program Office > > > > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > > > > MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA, 02139, USA > > > > > >--Charles McCathieNevile mailto:charles@w3.org > >phone: +1 617 258 0992 http://www.w3.org/People/Charles > >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI > >MIT/LCS - 545 Technology sq., Cambridge MA, 02139, USA > > >
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