- From: Bruce Bailey <bbailey@clark.net>
- Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:59:11 -0500
- To: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
- CC: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
- Message-ID: <3872B37B.56A9B89A@clark.net>
Thanks Wendy. I am sorry to say that your revision of Technique 1.1.A got me into a lather. I really do appreciate that you are doing this work. > * Valid: > + IMG is the content of a link and the "alt" is null > This describes the current behavior of Bobby and it is perfectly INCORRECT. Please, take a look at URL: http://www.dors.state.md.us/test.html Which is "Bobby Approved!" despite having totally inaccessible links. Only the last of the several overly verbose "P1 - Manual check" warning messages makes an oblique reference to the problem (all the previous items in that list are irrelevant). Alt must NOT be null/empty (pick a term and use it consistently) when IMG is the content of a link unless the link is repeated elsewhere on the page. Some of your examples for alt content for bullets and lines are counter indicated. There is no other way to say this but that <Q>alt="bullet"</Q> and <Q>alt="horizontal rule"</Q> are just WRONG. Perhaps these should even be treated as suspicious? ALTernative text should capture the intent/function and not be solely pseudo-descriptive. Using a value of "---" for ALT is infinitely better than using "bar". (Yes, the period belongs inside the quotation mark, but don't you really prefer it when technical documentation is not ambiguous?) I hate to bring this up, but since you make allowances for "one or more spaces", do you have to do the same with ? I still think that the merits of a simple rule (<Q>alt="" is not allowed</Q> -- we are discussing an accessibility perspective remember) outweighs the need to use the empty string for content-free (decorative) and spacer GIFs. Using <Q>alt=" "</Q> would be okay for these -- and does NOT cause the "hidden link" problem on text-only UA (Lynx). Your "treat as suspicious" examples are otherwise good. I don't think you can specify what is "valid" (perhaps you should use "allowed" -- since we are not testing for "validity" per se) because there is not way to automate a test for "good and appropriate" alt content. One can merely specify that which definitely or possibly poor or inappropriate. Bruce Bailey Wendy A Chisholm wrote: > hi all, > > i've posted my revision of technique 1.1.A at > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/IG/ert/tech1-1.html > > I started editing the rest of the techniques for checkpoint 1.1 but then > decided to wait for reactions on this draft. > > note that i got rid of the "under discussion" section, and modified the > structure a bit. I like that the same structure is used for each technique > throughout the document, however it seems to be applied > inconsistently. applying a consistent structure would be one of the first > things i think we ought to do in terms of general "clean up." > > --wendy
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