- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:28:12 -0400
- To: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
aloha, all! whilst cleaning up the minutes from this morning's telecon, i came across the following: -- begin quote from 19 October telecon minutes (note: DD stands for Daniel Dardailler, CR for Chris Ridpath, HB for Harvey Bingham, and GJR Gregory Rosmaita) Topic 4: ERT 7.2.A (BLINK) DD: is there only one technique, or are there more? can make things blink using CSS, I think, or by using a script -- need to address; evaluation: look for BLINK, is that the only suggested language? not that they are not standard/valid HTML or that they cause problems for adaptive equipment and for some PWDs? CR: trying to get away from bringing everything back to PWDs -- want a general usability tool HB: telecon running overtime DD: technique: remove BLINK; should we point to CSS if really want BLINK mechanism that can be user over-ridden? GJR: that could be an "advanced" option -- we should have an intermediary step: if user chooses "No" when asked if wants to remove BLINK, pop up explanation of interoperability, accessibility, and usability problems posed by BLINK, noting that it is a bloody stupid thing to use, but if author chooses "use BLINK anyway" then prompt user to use CSS to achieve BLINK DD: replace BLINK with STRONG or EM or use a SPAN should be first step Resolved: Repair strategy will consist of the following steps: 1) remove BLINK or replace with STRONG or EM 2) if author chooses "No" when prompted to replace BLINK, issue a dialog containing an explanation of accessibility and usability problems posed by BLINK 3) if author chooses "Use BLINK Anyway", prompt the user (or automatically) use CSS to achieve blinking effect so that end user has control over presentation -- end quote from 19 October telecon minutes i scoured the CSS2 spec [1] in an attempt to turn up a reference to which to point to illustrate how one could obtain a blinking effect using stylesheets but the only thing that i could find that was even remotely close to a "valid" stylesheet equivalent for the proprietary element BLINK was the following [2] begin quote from CSS2 16.3 Decoration 16.3.1 Underlining, overlining, striking, and blinking: the 'text-decoration' property 'text-decoration' Value: none | [ underline || overline || line-through || blink ] | inherit Initial: none Applies to: all elements Inherited: no (see prose) Percentages: N/A Media: visual This property describes decorations that are added to the text of an element. If the property is specified for a block-level element, it affects all inline-level descendants of the element. If it is specified for (or affects) an inline-level element, it affects all boxes generated by the element. If the element has no content or no text content (e.g., the IMG element in HTML), user agents must ignore this property. Values have the following meanings: none Produces no text decoration. underline Each line of text is underlined. overline Each line of text has a line above it. line-through Each line of text has a line through the middle blink Text blinks (alternates between visible and invisible). Conforming user agents are not required to support this value. The color(s) required for the text decoration should be derived from the 'color' property value. This property is not inherited, but descendant boxes of a block box should be formatted with the same decoration (e.g., they should all be underlined). The color of decorations should remain the same even if descendant elements have different 'color' values. unquote the term "conforming user agents" is a hyperlink that points to: <http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/conform.html#conformance> which reads: quote 3.2 Conformance This section defines conformance with the CSS2 specification only. There may be other levels of CSS in the future that may require a user agent to implement a different set of features in order to conform. In general, the following points must be observed by a user agent claiming conformance to this specification: 1. It must support one or more of the CSS2 media types. 2. For each source document, it must attempt to retrieve all associated style sheets that are appropriate for the supported media types. If it cannot retrieve all associated style sheets (for instance, because of network errors), it must display the document using those it can retrieve. 3. It must parse the style sheets according to this specification. In particular, it must recognize all at-rules, blocks, declarations, and selectors (see the grammar of CSS2). If a user agent encounters a property that applies for a supported media type, the user agent must parse the value according to the property definition. This means that the user agent must accept all valid values and must ignore declarations with invalid values. User agents must ignore rules that apply to unsupported media types. 4. For each element in a document tree, it must assign a value for every applicable property according to the property's definition and the rules of cascading and inheritance. 5. If the source document comes with alternate style sheets (such as with the "alternate" keyword in HTML 4.0 [HTML40]), the UA must allow the user to select one from among these style sheets and apply the selected one. Not every user agent must observe every point, however: * A user agent that inputs style sheets must respect points 1 - 3. * An authoring tool is only required to output valid style sheets * A user agent that renders a document with associated style sheets must respect points 1 - 5 and render the document according to the media-specific requirements set forth in this specification. Values may be approximated when required by the user agent. The inability of a user agent to implement part of this specification due to the limitations of a particular device (e.g., a user agent cannot render colors on a monochrome monitor or page) does not imply non-conformance. This specification recommends that a user agent allow the user to specify user style sheets. unquote so, am i correct in concluding that there is no "approved" CSS equiv for BLINK (and if there ain't, that ain't no skin off my back!), or am i overlooking something? was text-decoration : blink added merely to provide a backwards-looking user-control mechanism to support (or squelch, depending upon your point of view) the proprietary BLINK? if "text-decoration : blink;" isn't exactly kosher (and doesn't have a very good chance of being implemented), should we be advising authors to employ it? philosophically and realistically, i'd say we shouldn't, but if text-decoration: blink doesn't have a chance of being rendered and the author persists in insisting that the text blink, my cynical side says to let him or her use a style that won't actually be rendered by the way, when I ran a test page <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/temp/blink.html> through Bobby, the suggested solutions were: -- begin Bobby BLINK error message [3] Some screen readers for the blind are unable to read blinking text. It is suggested that blinking text created by the Netscape BLINK tag be replaced by one of the following options 1. Emphasized text, i.e. <EM>this is important</EM> 2. An animated GIF image whose ALT text corresponds to the blinking text. 3. A Java applet with alternative text that corresponds to the blinking text. -- end Bobby BLINK error message gregory References [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#propdef-text-decoration [3] http://www.cast.org/bobby/html/gls/g4.html -------------------------------------------------------- He that lives on Hope, dies farting -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763 -------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net> WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html> --------------------------------------------------------
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