Re: EOWG: Final version of Mobile-Accessibility "Shared Web Experiences" doc

Hi Sylvie,

Thanks for your comments.

Regarding the "Link text not descriptive" in the section "operable".   
What about these? Do you think these are more descriptive?

Disabilities Context: User can not determine purpose of a link when  
read out of context. For example, some assistive technologies such as  
screen readers provide a functionality to access only the links in a  
page and when this functionality is used links will be accessed out  
of context.

Mobile Context: User can not determine purpose of a link and  
especially the page that it points to, and following a wrong link can  
mean undue delay and cost to a mobile Web user.

Regards,
Yeliz.
On 30 Jul 2008, at 15:46, Sylvie duchateau wrote:

>
> Hello Shawn, Yeliz and all,
> I did a mistake in replying to Shawn's e-mail so I resend my  
> response to the list.
> I will not participate in the next calls due to vacation but I would
> like to comment on the last published draft of Mobile-Accessibility
> "Shared Web Experiences" doc at:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences
>
> As stated in my comments in the survey, I like this document very much
> and find its title really good, as it summarises the document and  
> is not
> too long.
> Nevertheless, I find the new formulation of the document containing  
> the
> table version and the one containing the topics version not clear  
> enough.
> The table version contains also some topics as it classifies the
> information around the four principles of accessibility. In the  
> table of
> contnts you also find links to each topic.
> If I would like to go to the topic version, I would not click on the
> link called "topic format", as it does not tell me clearly that  
> this is
> a linearised version of the table format. When reading the former
> "linear version" link, the information was clearer to me.
> I don't understand why it is a problem to talk about linear or table
> version. Some people rather look at data in a tabular form, other  
> would
> rather read a document in a text form.
> As far as the rest of the document is concerned, it is very clear  
> except
> the topic: "Link text not descriptive" in the section "operable". I'm
> still not satisfied with the explanations for users with disabilities
> and users of mobile Web devices that are nearly the same but do not
> describe what the barrier is.
> Original sentence:
> "Disabilities Context: User can not determine purpose of link when  
> read
> out of context".
> Proposal: Disabilities Context: Some assistive technologies (screen
> reader, magnifier or speech recognition software) have the ability to
> display a list of links so that the user can go to the page he  
> wants to
> lookt at more rapidly. Links are read out of context and user can not
> determine the purpose of each link.
> 2. Original text : Mobile Context: User can not determine purpose  
> of link.
>
> Question: I don't know browser on mobile devices very well so why  
> is the
> user prevented from determining the purpose of the link? Is there a
> functionality to display a list of links, like the assistive
> technologies of people with disabilities?
> As I don't konw the answer, I cannot write a good explanation.
> That's all for my comments on the document.
> Best
> Sylvie
>
> Shawn Henry a écrit :
>> EOWG,
>> Good job on getting an updated draft of "Shared Web Experiences:  
>> Barriers Common to Mobile Device Users and People with  
>> Disabilities" published this week. Thanks to Yeliz for editing,  
>> and to all who reviewed the document.
>> We announced it along with the MWBP 1.0 publication:
>> * WAI IG email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/ 
>> 2008JulSep/0026.html
>> * MWBP press release: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/mwbp- 
>> pressrelease.html.en
>> Note that the press release includes: "W3C is also developing  
>> resources to help authors understand how to create content that is  
>> both mobile-friendly and accessible to people with disabilities. A  
>> draft of Relationship between Mobile Web Best Practices (MWBP) and  
>> Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) is jointly published  
>> by the The Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group and WAI's  
>> Education & Outreach Working Group (EOWG)."
>> We made a few additional changes, which are listed in the  
>> changelog at:
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-mwbp-wcag#changed28July2008
>> The next step is to publish a completed version, not a "Draft". If  
>> you did not review it before, or if you want to do a more thorough  
>> review, please do that this week and prepare for discussion in the  
>> teleconferences.
>> *Fri 1 August*: Discuss in EOWG:
>> - Having one or two versions (table and linear), and what to call  
>> them
>> - Detailed review of the content
>> If possible, please send comments via e-mail before the  
>> teleconference.
>> - Issues for discussion to this list <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
>> - Typos and such to <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk> *and* <wai-eo- 
>> editors@w3.org>
>> Thanks,
>> ~Shawn
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