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Re: EOWG: Final version of Mobile-Accessibility "Shared Web Experiences" doc

From: Yeliz Yesilada <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:31:20 +0100
Message-Id: <9B56F2E1-3CD9-42E8-A834-518AD5333553@cs.man.ac.uk>
Cc: "EOWG (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
To: sylvie.duchateau@snv.jussieu.fr

Hi Sylvie,

Thanks for your comments.

Regarding the "Link text not descriptive" in the section "operable".   
What about these? Do you think these are more descriptive?

Disabilities Context: User can not determine purpose of a link when  
read out of context. For example, some assistive technologies such as  
screen readers provide a functionality to access only the links in a  
page and when this functionality is used links will be accessed out  
of context.

Mobile Context: User can not determine purpose of a link and  
especially the page that it points to, and following a wrong link can  
mean undue delay and cost to a mobile Web user.

On 30 Jul 2008, at 15:46, Sylvie duchateau wrote:

> Hello Shawn, Yeliz and all,
> I did a mistake in replying to Shawn's e-mail so I resend my  
> response to the list.
> I will not participate in the next calls due to vacation but I would
> like to comment on the last published draft of Mobile-Accessibility
> "Shared Web Experiences" doc at:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences
> As stated in my comments in the survey, I like this document very much
> and find its title really good, as it summarises the document and  
> is not
> too long.
> Nevertheless, I find the new formulation of the document containing  
> the
> table version and the one containing the topics version not clear  
> enough.
> The table version contains also some topics as it classifies the
> information around the four principles of accessibility. In the  
> table of
> contnts you also find links to each topic.
> If I would like to go to the topic version, I would not click on the
> link called "topic format", as it does not tell me clearly that  
> this is
> a linearised version of the table format. When reading the former
> "linear version" link, the information was clearer to me.
> I don't understand why it is a problem to talk about linear or table
> version. Some people rather look at data in a tabular form, other  
> would
> rather read a document in a text form.
> As far as the rest of the document is concerned, it is very clear  
> except
> the topic: "Link text not descriptive" in the section "operable". I'm
> still not satisfied with the explanations for users with disabilities
> and users of mobile Web devices that are nearly the same but do not
> describe what the barrier is.
> Original sentence:
> "Disabilities Context: User can not determine purpose of link when  
> read
> out of context".
> Proposal: Disabilities Context: Some assistive technologies (screen
> reader, magnifier or speech recognition software) have the ability to
> display a list of links so that the user can go to the page he  
> wants to
> lookt at more rapidly. Links are read out of context and user can not
> determine the purpose of each link.
> 2. Original text : Mobile Context: User can not determine purpose  
> of link.
> Question: I don't know browser on mobile devices very well so why  
> is the
> user prevented from determining the purpose of the link? Is there a
> functionality to display a list of links, like the assistive
> technologies of people with disabilities?
> As I don't konw the answer, I cannot write a good explanation.
> That's all for my comments on the document.
> Best
> Sylvie
> Shawn Henry a écrit :
>> EOWG,
>> Good job on getting an updated draft of "Shared Web Experiences:  
>> Barriers Common to Mobile Device Users and People with  
>> Disabilities" published this week. Thanks to Yeliz for editing,  
>> and to all who reviewed the document.
>> We announced it along with the MWBP 1.0 publication:
>> * WAI IG email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/ 
>> 2008JulSep/0026.html
>> * MWBP press release: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/mwbp- 
>> pressrelease.html.en
>> Note that the press release includes: "W3C is also developing  
>> resources to help authors understand how to create content that is  
>> both mobile-friendly and accessible to people with disabilities. A  
>> draft of Relationship between Mobile Web Best Practices (MWBP) and  
>> Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) is jointly published  
>> by the The Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group and WAI's  
>> Education & Outreach Working Group (EOWG)."
>> We made a few additional changes, which are listed in the  
>> changelog at:
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-mwbp-wcag#changed28July2008
>> The next step is to publish a completed version, not a "Draft". If  
>> you did not review it before, or if you want to do a more thorough  
>> review, please do that this week and prepare for discussion in the  
>> teleconferences.
>> *Fri 1 August*: Discuss in EOWG:
>> - Having one or two versions (table and linear), and what to call  
>> them
>> - Detailed review of the content
>> If possible, please send comments via e-mail before the  
>> teleconference.
>> - Issues for discussion to this list <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
>> - Typos and such to <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk> *and* <wai-eo- 
>> editors@w3.org>
>> Thanks,
>> ~Shawn
Received on Wednesday, 30 July 2008 16:32:12 UTC

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