- From: Jeanne Spellman <jeanne@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:59:20 -0400
- To: AUWG <w3c-wai-au@w3.org>
Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/08/15-au-minutes.html
Text of Minutes:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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WAI AU
15 Aug 2011
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/15-au-irc
Attendees
Present
Jeanne, Jan, Cherie, Alastair, Jutta, Greg, SueAnn,
Tim_Boland
Regrets
Chair
Jutta
Scribe
jeanne
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]1. Issues arising from WCAG-WG's reply to our comment
response
2. [5]Change Proposals
3. [6]3. Splitting up the work...ideas
4. [7]Splitting up the work
5. [8]Testing Considerations
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<Jan1> Scribe: jeanne
<Jan1> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
<Jan1> JT: I'm running a Masters program...there are students in the
profram who could make useful contributions
1. Issues arising from WCAG-WG's reply to our comment response
JR: WCAG was concerned with our use of "accessible content". They
suggested "WCAG Conformant". I replied that we couldn't use it,
because of the WCAG requirement for accessible technologies. We want
tools to be able to conform to ATAG even if accessible browsers
don't yet exist. Example being SVG.
Alastair: It is similar to early Flash, where you built
accessibility features even though it was not yet supported.
JR: Suggested "potentially WCAG 2 conformant"
... I think it should go in the Implementing document
JS: We could put it in the home page.
AC: Could we put it in a wiki?
JR: We could put it in Implementing Intent, or if it goes beyond, we
could make a "hot topics" page on /WAi/AU/
JT: Are people in agreement with the explanation?
AC: We want to link to it, instead of having to explain it every
time.
<Jan1> JT: "WCAG-capable"
JT: WCAG capable content
<Greg> WCAG Capable sounds good
TB: We would have to link to the definition and discuss how to test
it.
JR: there are two - developer installed UIs where a company runs a
web site where the tool is. They could make a WCAG conformant claim.
Then there are developer tools that basically come in a box that
gets installed into environments.
... should the term "WCAG-capable" cover Part A as well.
AC: That is like a default state - soemthing like Drupal.
JR: It's not that it is editable, it is rather that in Part A, all
the web-based parts of the authroing tool interface must meet WCAG
2.0 except for "accessibility supported".
... is it worth making a separate statement for web-based authoring
tools?
AC: It is not only about the tools, but it is about the
responsibility. It may have caveats about user support, but could
make statements about their environment.
TB: I agree
JR: I will take an action to write up about WCAG capable content.
<Jan1> ACTION: JR to Write up a proposal on WCAGcapable for Part A
and B [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2011/08/15-au-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-353 - Write up a proposal on WCAGcapable
for Part A and B [on Jan Richards - due 2011-08-22].
Change Proposals
3. Splitting up the work...ideas
JR: We don't want to make changes to the documents without the
bigger picture of all the comments still expected. I suggest marking
them in the document
... then making a survey of all of them.
Splitting up the work
<Jan1> New comment response table:
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/att-00
55/ATAG2-21July2011PublicWD-CommentResponses-rev11aug2011.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/att-0055/ATAG2-21July2011PublicWD-CommentResponses-rev11aug2011.html
JR: I have some students who may want to take some of this on.
[12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/implementation_report_10june2011.h
tml
[12]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/implementation_report_10june2011.html
<Jan1>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/att-00
47/ATAG2-21July2011PublicWD-ImplementationReport-rev11aug2011.html
[13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/att-0047/ATAG2-21July2011PublicWD-ImplementationReport-rev11aug2011.html
JR: It needs updating, even a simple thing like text search, doesn't
have a lot of examples, even though we all know products exist.
<Greg> I was muted unmuted now, Haven't had a chance to evaluate
Edge
JR: It looks good if there are tools that meet a broad range of
items
TB: How many times is it listed.
JS: Let's keep the table as a regular data table so we can sort it
and filter it to meet our needs.
JT: I think it would be useful to highlight the success criteria
that still need implementations.
JR: That is what we are trying to do. I can make a list of the
things that need implementations.
... maybe we can make 10 products and make a chart with the 10
columns, would that be easier?
Testing Considerations
JR: I want to write some more examples so that it is more clear what
is needed. There is a concern that these things not accidently
appear to introduce what seem to be normative requirements.
... If the folks that have tools that they are familiar with could
work on completing the Implementation report, that would free me up
to work more on Testing Considerations.
... having separate columns for each tool would give people the
ability to say "not applicable" instead of it just not being
positively listed.
... this would give a better idea if the overall tool was
accessible.
JT: Should we all be on the lookout, or should we divide up the
success criteria and look for implementations.
JR: Give me a call or email and let me know the tool that you want a
column for?
<Jan1> GP: Dreamweaver
Greg: Dreamweaver CS 5.5
<Jan1> GP: DreamweaverCS5.5
Cherie: MS Word 2010
<Jan1> Cherie: Cherie: MS Word 2010
JS: Is Sharepoint also a likely tool that could be added?
Cherie: yes
<Jan1> AC: Sharepoint
<Jan1> GP: InDesign
<Jan1> JR: Atutor
<Jan1> SN: Lotus Connections
JS: What about IBM Eclipse? Especially because it has a built-in
checker
SN: There are a couple others I want to look into, but I think
Eclipse should be on the list.
JS: Add Drupal and Wordpress, even though I don't know yet who will
enter the info on them.
<scribe> chair: Jutta
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: JR to Write up a proposal on WCAGcapable for Part A
and B [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2011/08/15-au-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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