- From: Jutta Treviranus <jutta.treviranus@utoronto.ca>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:22:50 -0500
- To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, w3c-wai-au@w3.org
- Cc: <paciello@webable.com>
I agree as well. Can you propose some additional or alternative wording for the techniques to reflect the points you are making? Jutta >At 08:48 AM 2002-01-29 , Mike Paciello wrote: >>I have noticed that these dual links with ALT are a popular design trend. I >>believe it's based on the misunderstanding of ALT text use. "We" have been >>preaching the need for ALT text on images for so long, that designers are >>including it on every instance and forgetting usability. >> >>I think we need to do a better job of educating the designers. Simple as >>that. >> > >Yes, but why is it that designers have to be repeatedly told [this]? > >It is a megatrend and the bane of my existence. > >They are following a context-free rule that only takes linear thinking. Here >is an IMG, supply an ALT. All they did was to follow that rule >without looking >around. They ignore the context. > >The better ALT would consider the context in a linear reading. > >But from the work-situation of the visual designer willing to JustDoIt for a >few rules imposed by the boss, that is a radical step beyone what they >understand they have to do. > >My consulting linguist tells me "in English we are rapidly losing constructive >morphology." The ability to have people understand a new word you >put together >because you put it together following "the rules." > >There is a strong preference in the JustDoIt culture for extreme locality of >reference; not to have to look around or consider anything but what is dead >ahead of you. This is what I mean is a megatrend. Don't know when or if this >trend will turn around. > >For effective education and outreach, to get the design constraint we wish to >be effective in the designer's understanding we have to put the form of the >fluency constraint graphically under their nose. This can be done >with Lynx or >Home Page Reader or you name it. But the authoring process has to present the >author with the text content in a geometry which makes the repetition obvious, >and makes it look like a mistake. It is not enough to verbalize an abstract >pattern in their ear. We need to use all the senses they have and habitually >respond to, to impress on them the geometry of the problem, that the words >should flow. > >Sadly, the documentation of techniques for authoring tools has lost sight of >this master principle. > > Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility > <http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>http://www.w >3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt > > >Al > >>Mike >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kelly Ford [<mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:35 AM >>> To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site >>> >>> >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> A couple things jump immediately out at me. These fall in the >>> category of making something really usable in my opinion. Rather >>> not doing them would make the site more usable. >>> >>> 1. Several of the links at the beginning of the page use alt text >>> phrasing of "this link goes to...". Just give me the name of the link. >>> >>> 2. As you mention there are multiple instances of alt text and >>> then a link with the same name. To me this is where alt="" >>> should be used on a graphic that simply duplicates the text of a >>> link that is immediately after. >>> >>> Kelly >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Phill Jenkins >>> To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:01 AM >>> Subject: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site >>> >>> >>> Last week I saw a presentation from VISA about how they are >>> sponsoring the >>> Paralympics. They also claim to have made a lot of progress on their >>> <http://www.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com site. >>> >>> I found the redundant use of alt text to be distracting. Using Home Page >>> Reader [1] VISA would be able to see & hear just what I mean, > >> for example >>> Overview Overview. Also, the main image of a skier with only >>> one leg was >>> not described. But, I really liked the used on skip navigation and the >>> link at the bottom that jumps back to the top. It appears to meet >>> accessibility standards but could be tweaked to make it more >>> easy to use. >>> >>> What do others think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Phill >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> To Post a message, send it to: webwatch@eGroups.com >>> To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >>> webwatch-unsubscribe@eGroups.com >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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