RE: ontology localization (into spanish)

Hi, I am not sure I completely understand this thread but the key is context; I had a great conversation text for Spanish years ago and it was nice to have the phrases as they occurred in actual use in the essays I was to discuss.
So it might be nice to create a list of translated key words and phrases, with the sentences/context the words/phrases occur in.
(Hope I am not getting off-topic.)

Best,

--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com

> To: phila@w3.org; elemontiel@gmail.com; asun@fi.upm.es; w3c-translators@w3.org; lupe@fi.upm.es
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:19:06 +0100
> From: chaals@yandex-team.ru
> Subject: Re: ontology localization (into spanish)
> 
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:03:35 +0100, Guadalupe Aguado <lupe@fi.upm.es>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Phil
> >
> > Thank you for your suggestions. Aren't there any "draft" guidelines that  
> > other people have used when translating the onto into the other  
> > languages? Just to make sure that we should start with labels, for  
> > instance, and leave specs for lthe last part? Any guidance would help.
> 
> My own thinking is to start with descriptions and usage information, so  
> when you come to do the labels you have a clear idea of what they "mean",  
> not what the english (or french or whatever) says, because translating a  
> single word is never as good as translating a sentence and knowing the  
> context.
> 
> In other words, if you translate the longest / most verbose component  
> first you will probably do a better job when you try to translate the  
> short labels than if you do it the other way around.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Chaals
> 
> > Thank you in advance
> >
> > Guadalupe
> >
> >
> > El 18/02/2014 16:57, Phil Archer escribió:
> >> Thanks Elena,
> >>
> >> Yes, labels, comments and usage notes in the schema would be very  
> >> welcome. It's an issue I hope to raise at the workshop next month -  
> >> what's the most important thing to translate? The schema or the spec  
> >> document? If they're both full in line then copying text from one to  
> >> the other is easy, but which do people look at more?
> >>
> >> In theory:
> >>
> >> The spec includes all labels
> >> The definitions in the spec = rdfs:comment in the schema
> >> usage notes in the spec = usage notes in the schema
> >>
> >> But although ORG provides usage notes, other specs might use  
> >> dcterms:description or skos:definition - we really ought to have some  
> >> best practice guidance on this!
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 18/02/2014 14:21, Elena Montiel Ponsoda wrote:
> >>> Dear Phil,
> >>>
> >>> I have had a look at some of the e-mails in the w3c-translators mailing
> >>> list and also at what you wrote in [3].
> >>> Would you suggest that we translate the content of rdfs:label and
> >>> rdfs:comment descriptions in the schema.
> >>> As I can see, this is what has also been translated for other  
> >>> languages,
> >>> right?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again!
> >>> Elena.
> >>>
> >>> El 18/02/2014 13:42, Phil Archer escribió:
> >>>> Thanks very much Elena, this is very welcome news.
> >>>>
> >>>> In replying to you, I'm including the w3c-translators mailing list [1]
> >>>> which is where we record intentions to translate. For example, I'm
> >>>> pleased to see that work is under way to translate it into PT-BR too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please be aware that as well as the specification document there is
> >>>> also the schema [2]. In theory everything is aligned so that the text
> >>>> is the same. In practice, this isn't always quite true :-( [3]
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks again
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-translators/
> >>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/ns/org
> >>>> [3]
> >>>> http://www.w3.org/blog/data/2014/02/15/more-languages-for-more-vocabularies/  
> >>>>
> >>>> On 18/02/2014 11:22, Elena Montiel Ponsoda wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Phil,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> my name is Elena Montiel and together with Guadalupe Aguado I will  
> >>>>> be in
> >>>>> charge of the translation of the ORG ontology into Spanish.
> >>>>> We both have a backgroung on Translation and have been working on
> >>>>> Computational LInguistics (Ontology Localization among other topics)  
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> members of the Ontology Engineering Group leaded by Asun for many  
> >>>>> years
> >>>>> now.
> >>>>> We will keep you updated of our progress!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Elena
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El 17/02/2014 21:37, Asunción Gómez Pérez escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Phil
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will contact Martin just to know if some one is localizing ORG.
> >>>>>>  Our experience recommends to introduce localization once the model  
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> created.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, please set up a doodle for next week.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> KInd regards
> >>>>>> Asun
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El 17/02/2014 9:33, Phil Archer escribió:
> >>>>>>> Morning all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not aware of anyone else working actively on localising ORG  
> >>>>>>> but I
> >>>>>>> don't know everything ;-) In other words, there may be, but I'm not
> >>>>>>> aware of it. Are you in touch with Martin Alvarez? He's the most
> >>>>>>> likely to have done something on this but I'm not sure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for localising all our vocabs - yes, let's have a call about  
> >>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>> I'd like to include my colleagues Sandro Hawke and Ivan Herman in
> >>>>>>> that conversation. Shall I set up a Doodle poll for a call next  
> >>>>>>> week?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My questions, that I hope to find answers for in Athens, are: how
> >>>>>>> useful is this effort? What do we need to do to maximise the
> >>>>>>> usefulness? How can we introduce localisation earlier in the  
> >>>>>>> process
> >>>>>>> to avoid ambiguities that only become apparent when someone tries  
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> translate terms.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Phil.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 16/02/2014 22:21, Asunción Gómez Pérez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> DEar Phil
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> thanks for the title of the talk and for the link to the post :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As you know, Elena Montiel <emontiel@fi.upm.es> and Guadalupe  
> >>>>>>>> Aguado
> >>>>>>>> <lupe@fi.upm.es> are working on ontology localization for a long
> >>>>>>>> time in
> >>>>>>>> our group.
> >>>>>>>> They participate on the Ontolex group and they have already  
> >>>>>>>> localized
> >>>>>>>> some ontologies for IFLA and W3C.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Last week we started to reuse the ORG ontology and we discovered
> >>>>>>>> that it
> >>>>>>>> is not in Spanish. In the following days they are starting the  
> >>>>>>>> *ORG
> >>>>>>>> localization process in spanish*. Could you please confirm that
> >>>>>>>> nobody
> >>>>>>>> is doing that translation?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>   I would like to talk with you about*localizing all W3C  
> >>>>>>>> ontologies
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>> Spanish by the Ontology Engineering Group. *
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>>>> ASun
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> El 16/02/2014 21:27, Phil Archer escribió:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Asun,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sorry to have been so slow in thinking about this. I'd like  
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> talk about the efforts we've made recently to make some of our
> >>>>>>>>> vocabularies available with multilingual labels. I blogged about
> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>> yesterday (http://www.w3.org/blog/data/) and can say more in  
> >>>>>>>>> Athens.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've posted a place holder for my slides at
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0321_phila_ld4lt/ from which you'll  
> >>>>>>>>> see
> >>>>>>>>> I've suggested a title of Demanding Multilingual Schemata which
> >>>>>>>>> may or
> >>>>>>>>> may not make the double meaning of 'demanding' obvious.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll communicate separately over the logistics.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Phil.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2014 10:48, Asunción Gómez Pérez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> DEar Nicoletta, Hans, Phill
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We are on the process of finishing the agenda for the LInked
> >>>>>>>>>> Data for
> >>>>>>>>>> Language technologies Roadmapping WS.
> >>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate if you could send to me  title of your
> >>>>>>>>>> presentation
> >>>>>>>>>> in order to update the website.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>>>>>> Asun
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> El 09/02/2014 10:24, Asunción Gómez Pérez escribió:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> DEar Nicoletta, Hans, Phil
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for supporting the LD4TLT Group Kick-Off and Roadmap
> >>>>>>>>>>> meeting on
> >>>>>>>>>>> linked data and content analytics in Athens with your invited
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We are in the process of generating the agenda and I would
> >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate
> >>>>>>>>>>> if you could *send me the following information about your  
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk*:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   * title of your presentation
> >>>>>>>>>>>   * Afiliation
> >>>>>>>>>>>   * Web page
> >>>>>>>>>>>   * A paragraph describing the presentation itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned in the previous mail, the goal of this workshop
> >>>>>>>>>>> is to
> >>>>>>>>>>> gather use cases and requirements as a basis to develop a
> >>>>>>>>>>> European R&D
> >>>>>>>>>>> roadmap and agenda for content analytics solutions based on  
> >>>>>>>>>>> Linked
> >>>>>>>>>>> Data.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>>>>>>> Asun
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2014/01/14/linked-data-for-language-technology-ld4lt-group-kick-off-meeting-and-roadmap-meeting-21-march-athens-greece/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [2]http://lider-project.eu/
> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Prof. Asunción Gómez-Pérez
> >>>>>>>>>>> Catedrática de Universidad
> >>>>>>>>>>> Director of the Ontology Engineering Group
> >>>>>>>>>>> Facultad de Informática owl:sameAs Escuela Técnica Superior de
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ingenieros Informáticos
> >>>>>>>>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> >>>>>>>>>>> Campus de Montegancedo, sn
> >>>>>>>>>>> Boadilla del Monte, 28660, Spain
> >>>>>>>>>>> Home page:www.oeg-upm.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> Email:asun@fi.upm.es
> >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (34-91) 336-7417
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (34-91) 352-4819
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Charles McCathie Nevile - Consultant (web standards) CTO Office, Yandex
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