- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:35:51 -0500
- To: Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu>
- Cc: uri@w3.org
Yes. Of course, people refer to things indirectly all the time. As long
as we know when it is and isn't happening, that's OK. So if, for example,
I wanted to point you to Tim's book, I might very well send you:
http://www.amazon.com/Weaving-Web-Original-Ultimate-Destiny/dp/006251587X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197930771&sr=8-1,
but I would do so assuming that you knew, or would rapidly discover after
following the link, that what I'd really identified was an Amazon page,
which happens to be offering Tim's book for sale. So, it's not completely
off base to use the Google URI as an informal handle on a place. Where we
need to be careful is when we say that
http://www.amazon.com/Weaving-Web-Original-Ultimate-Destiny/dp/006251587X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197930771&sr=8-1
was published last month, and especially if we're doing it in an automated
system where there's no human available to notice the ambiguity. Maybe or
maybe not Amazon published its page a month ago, but Tim's book has been
out longer than that.
Noah
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Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu>
12/17/2007 05:21 PM
To: uri@w3.org
cc: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com
Subject: location vs. map scheme
hello noah.
> I'd put it a bit differently. Google has registered google.com, and
> Linden Research has registered slurl.com. That gives each of them the
> right to associate resources with http-scheme URIs for those domains,
> respectively. So, if Google says that all URIs conforming to the
template
> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=<lat>,<long> refer to the corresponding
> places on the physical earth, then they do. If Google says that they
> refer to a set of Google map documents that happen to depict those
places
> on the earth, then that's what they identify. I suspect that for
Google,
> it's the latter (to the extent they've been careful in documenting one
or
> the other.) The URIs don't really directly identify the place: they
> identify Google maps of the places.
and i think this also is the point where it becomes clear that locations
and mapping services are two different things. apart from the location
coordinates, google has various parameters for the zoom factor and
various other features of its mapping services. other mapping services
have other features, and allow these to control via query parameter as
well. that is good because it allows bookmarks which really identify a
"view", not just the location.
so, ideally, location uris would be one thing, map uris another, and
while for map uris i think a http-based scheme is a good solution
(because the maps are mostly delivered over http anyway), the same is
not automatically true for locations. of course, in many cases location
uris will be mapped to map uris, but that is just one operation that can
be performed on them.
cheers,
dret.
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