- From: Al Gilman <asgilman@access.digex.net>
- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
- To: connolly@w3.org (Dan Connolly)
- Cc: timbl@w3.org, fielding@ics.uci.edu, masinter@parc.xerox.com, Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no, moore@cs.utk.edu, uri@bunyip.com, lassila@w3.org, swick@w3.org, tbray@textuality.com, jeanpa@microsoft.com, cmsmcq@uic.edu, dsr@w3.org, lehors@w3.org, ij@w3.org
There are two pieces of this question. One is a question of nomenclature: how many names, and what name(s) should we use to refer to things of the UR* class? The second is a matter of software architecture: what IETF documents should the W3C documents for HTML etc. cite, and how? This message talks to the nomenclature question. I have thought about this issue for a while. Let me explain why I might tilt (say 51%) toward the following position (to 49% for the existing triad of names and the HTML spec says HREFs are URIs): [Dumb it down.] Just call me "URL." I.e. the URL name has a userbase. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The current URL syntax draft makes the point that UR*'s are part of the consumer interface of the Web. That's why the napkin scenario is in there. Consumers will accept Uniform Resource Locators as the expansion of URL and pronounce it "Earl" and not care about the expansion. If we are using terms precisely, "identifier" is not that much better than "locator" as a generic term for the UR* class of writings. I think we should be applying natural-language standards for the fineness of terms in this matter. In consumer terms, the consistency of the UR* class is more significant than the adminstrative differences between URLs as used now and URNs as emerging presently. We can let URL be extended to cover the UR* class for communicating with consumers. Let URI be historical. Let URN have its own process. The W3C documents should be clean of caring about the differences, anyway. DETAILS: Consider two locators in street language: In large organizations, one of the listings that is exported to the telephone directory is "personnel locator." If you call this number with the name of an employee, they can get you organizational unit and telephone number. When you buy a car security system, you get a car locator that you carry on your keyring. You press the button and the car barks. The device has located your car in the parking lot for you. These examples from street life share the defining characteristic of UR* thingies. This is that they are retrieval keys: they are the difference between retrieving the resource and not retrieving it. Never mind that for a news: URL the strictly-location part of the information is usually defaulted to "somewhere on your local News server." Whatever it takes to bring the resource to the foreground of your browse session is there. In natural English, "locator" is a perfectly good epithet for that meaning. I tend to believe that an "education" program to reform consumers and get them to convert from talking about URLs to talking about URIs will face the same fate as the prohibition of alcoholic beverages met in the U.S. The difference between "identifier" and "locator" is insignificant when compared to the more important shared nature of all these things. They can all be distinguished from one another because they have been harmonized into one syntax. The syntax is not uniform; it is modal (casewise). But in terms of the consumer it is a uniform super-scheme because you can always tell them apart and apply the modal rules right. The are all locators in the sense defined above. The customer is right. Keep it simple. Just "Call me 'URL.'" It is not the process nor registry which qualifies a UR* scheme to merit the 'U' for Uniform. It is the fact that they can all be distinguished one from another. So long as one can distinguish URNs from URLs syntactically, we can say they are a subcategory of URLs and we don't need the URI name for a spanning class. The URI name should be headed the way of the nntp: scheme. When we got it working, we found we didn't need it. -- Al Gilman
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