- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:13:16 -0500
- To: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Cc: Robin Berjon <robin@robineko.com>, chairs@w3.org, spec-prod@w3.org
On 19 Oct 2009, at 9:04 AM, Chris Lilley wrote:
> On Monday, October 19, 2009, 3:32:19 PM, Robin wrote:
>
> RB> On Oct 15, 2009, at 19:34 , Ian Jacobs wrote:
>>> We've completed the rollback. This includes:
>
>>> * latest version URIs restored
>>> * reformatted specs no longer appear in TR views, current status
>>> pages, or spec histories.
>
>>> Let me know if you see any issues.
>
> RB> Excellent, thanks a lot, and again many kudos for the rest of
> the site!
>
> RB> Should we maybe have a BoF/quick session/beer/whatever about new
> TR
> RB> templates at TPAC?
>
> That sounds like a good idea.
>
> The recent alteration of /TR had a similar effect to 'Last' Call,
> i.e. it was the first time many of us took a serious look at the
> proposed changes :)
My current thinking is this:
* There were a number of things we wanted to accomplish via the
rewritten TRs, including:
- Providing dynamic status information
- Simplifying the front matter ("nobody reads the status
section!") while leaving the most important bits up front.
- Providing useful context (links to tutorials, validators, etc.)
on the right side
- Integration into the rest of the site while retaining much of
the branding of the original style.
- Getting all this without changing pubrules requirements or
authoring practices.
- Giving multiple views of the specs (desktop, mobile, print) so
that people could hide navigation.
We set up the "print mode" for TRs to look almost exactly like the
classic TRs (modulo minor formatting
bugs we could fix in a matter of days). However, I doubt that most
people realized this, and we didn't
advertise it loudly. (Perhaps making the classic view the default
view would have helped, but even then, the
status section had migrated to the bottom.)
* I'm less inclined to do rewriting now that the editors have made
clear how strongly they feel about our reformatting specs after the
editors have put on their finishing touches. Other valuable lessons
included: don't put non-w3c branding on specs@
* And so I would like to find another approach to providing some of
the benefits mentioned above without any rewriting. For instance, we
might offer a (prominently displayed) service where one can provide a
spec uri (or get it through a link or pulldown) and a tool generates
dynamically the currents status information, available tutorials, etc.
* We had not done this before because it is simply to get all the
information at a URI rather than having to do the two-step of going to
a service to get the information.
Thanks again for moving this discussion forward constructively.
_ Ian
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