Re: Open letter urging to pause AI

I'm sorry.Let's not fight.
I almost never post here, but the topic caught my eye.
I have just had the experience I refer to with GPT-4 and perplexity.ai.
But I tend to describe things in stripped-down terms, and it is where I am now.I
know I'm not providing context from the usual discussions here.
I am thinking simplistically in game theoretic terms.
Adeel, are you responding to that?
Yes, Dan works for Google.
From the outside, I do not know what that demands of a person.
From the outside, I can only talk about Google, the company as I know it, or, if
I studied it, as an economic unit. This is the same with all the big players.
Adam
Adam Saltiel  





On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 9:19 PM Adeel <aahmad1811@gmail.com>  wrote:
How is that offensive? Being racist is offensive.I am merely relating to what he
said in a previous message.
I would refer the same thing back to you:Please review W3C's Code of Ethics and
Professional
Conduct:
https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
If you cannot contribute respectfully to the discussion, then please
refrain from posting.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 21:14, David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:
On 3/30/23 15:59, Adeel wrote:
> You can't talk about regulation and compliance in this group, dan 
> doesn't like it as google doesn't care about those things.

That is offensive.  Please review W3C's Code of Ethics and Professional 
Conduct:
https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
If you cannot contribute respectfully to the discussion, then please 
refrain from posting.

Thanks,
David Booth

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adeel
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 20:22, adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com  
> <mailto:adam.saltiel@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     It's out of the bottle and will be played with.
> 
>     " .. being run on consumer laptops. And that’s not even thinking
>     about state level actors .. "
>     Large resources will be thrown at this.
> 
>     It was a long time ago that Henry Story (of course, many others too,
>     but more in this context) pointed out that, as to what pertains to
>     the truth, competing logical deductions cannot decide themselves.
> 
>     I just had this experience, and the details are not important.
> 
> 
>     The point is that, in this case, I asked the same question to GPT-4
>     and perplexity.ai  <http://perplexity.ai>, and they gave different
>     answers.
>     Since it was something I wanted to know the answer to, and it was
>     sufficiently complex, I was not in a position to judge which was
>     correct.
> 
>     Petitioning for funding for experts, i.e. researchers and university
>     professors.
>     Although it is absurd to think they would have time to mediate
>     between all the obscure information sorting correct from incorrect
>     and, of course, a person can be wrong too.
> 
>     Then there is the issue of attribution ...
>     At the moment, perplexity.ai  <http://perplexity.ai> has a word salad
>     of dubious recent publications; GPT -4 has a "knowledge cutoff for
>     my training data is September 2021". It finds it difficult to reason
>     about time in any case, but these are details.
> 
>     Others in this email thread have cast doubt on Musk's motivation
>     (give it time to catch up) and Microsoft (didn't care for any
>     consequences by jumping in now).
> 
>     So there are issues of funding and control -- calling on the state
>     to intervene is appealing to the power next up the hierarchy, but
>     can such regulations be effective when administered by the state?
> 
>     That really just leaves us with grassroots education and everyday
>     intervention.
> 
>     Best on an important topic,
> 
> 
>     Adam
> 
>     Adam Saltiel
> 
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:39 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com
>     <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         __ I could not agree more with Dan - a “non-proliferation”
>         agreement nor a moratorium of AI advancements is simply much
>         more unrealistic than it was with nukes. We hardly managed to
>         keep the number of crazy people with access to nukes under
>         control, but for building your next generation of AI, you will
>         not need anything but brain, programming skills, and commodity
>         resources. Machines will not take over humankind, but machines
>         can add giant levers to single individuals or groups.
> 
>         Best wishes
>         Martin
> 
>         ---------------------------------------
>         martin hepp
>         www: https://www.heppnetz.de/  <https://www.heppnetz.de/>
> 
> 
>>         On 29. Mar 2023, at 22:30, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org
>>         <mailto:danbri@danbri.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 20:51, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program
>>         <metadataportals@yahoo.com  <mailto:metadataportals@yahoo.com>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>             This letter speaks for itself.
>>
>>
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/ 
 <
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/
>
>>
>>
>>             I may not want to put it as bluntly as Elon Musk, who
>>             cautioned against unregulated AI which he called "more
>>             dangerous than nukes", but when Nick Bostrom, the late
>>             Stephen Hawking, and dozens, no hundreds of international
>>             experts, scientists and industry leaders start ringing the
>>             bell, is is time to pause and reflect.
>>
>>             Every aspect of daily life, every industry, education
>>             systems, academia and even our cognitive rights will be
>>             impacted.
>>
>>             I would also like to point out that some science fiction
>>             authors have done a great job on very accurately
>>             predicting a dystopian future ruled by technology, perhaps
>>             the greatest of them all being Philip K. Dick.
>>
>>             But there are dozens of other authors as well and they all
>>             give a fairly good impression what awaits us if we do not
>>             regulate and control the further development of AI now.
>>
>>
>>         I have a *lot* of worries, but the genie is out of the bottle.
>>
>>         It’s 60 lines of code for the basics,
>>https://jaykmody.com/blog/gpt-from-scratch/
>>         <https://jaykmody.com/blog/gpt-from-scratch/>
>>
>>         Facebook’s Llama model is out there, and being run on consumer
>>         laptops. And that’s not even thinking about state level
>>         actors, or how such regulation might be worded.
>>
>>         For my part (and v personal opinion) I think focussing on
>>         education, sensible implementation guidelines, and trying to
>>         make sure the good outweighs the bad.
>>
>>         Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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