Re: What is a Knowledge Graph? CORRECTION

> Am 19.06.2019 um 15:53 schrieb Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>:
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> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Steffen Staab <staab@uni-koblenz.de <mailto:staab@uni-koblenz.de>> wrote:
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>> Am 19.06.2019 um 10:59 schrieb Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com <mailto:marco.neumann@gmail.com>>:
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>> Thank you for confirming this 
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>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:36 AM Steffen Staab <staab@uni-koblenz.de <mailto:staab@uni-koblenz.de>> wrote:
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>>> Am 19.06.2019 um 09:28 schrieb Daniel Schwabe <dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br <mailto:dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br>>:
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>>> Hi,
>>>> "information is knowledge in action”.
>>> Actually, I think it’s the other way around: “Knowledge is information in action”. In other words, and simplifying a bit, any information that is used for an action (to achieve a goal) becomes knowledge, when coupled with the information about the action itself.
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>> For the information science community (including the quoted Kuhlen), information is the higher quality object.
>> For the knowledge management community, knowledge is the higher quality object (leading to the cited „knowledge is information in action“).
>> Knowledge representation community tended to define knowledge as justified true belief.
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>> thank you for confirming this here Steffen. but it's also an interpretation that is now changing in the Knowledge representation community isn't it?
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> Is it?
> Based on which observations would you say that it is changing in the KR community?
> I would not consider Linked Data to be a proper part of the KR community, though I do see the emphasis of deixis (using meaningful URIs)
> as the most fundamental development in logics-oriented KR of the last 20 years
> (just my personal opinion). I do not see this being discussed much in KR (other than by van Harmelen and colleagues) and
> they don’t publish this in a KR conference (to my limited knowledge).
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> leads me to the question: Do you consider "Knowledge Graph" being a proper part of the KR community? 

Should it be? Definitely yes.
Is it? I am less sure on this. 

https://dblp.uni-trier.de/db/conf/kr/kr2018 <https://dblp.uni-trier.de/db/conf/kr/kr2018> contains one title with knowledge graph in it
(this does not preclude that other papers may be very relevant for KGs, of course)

https://dblp.uni-trier.de/db/conf/semweb/iswc2018-1.html <https://dblp.uni-trier.de/db/conf/semweb/iswc2018-1.html> contains 5 (will definitely grow this year)


cheers
Steffen




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>> Or do you do expect it to just power steadily on and leave the likes of Sowa in the dust?
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> What is the reference of „it“. Above are three different definitions that hardly overlap.
> Wrt Sowa I would have imagined that he would have subscribed to the third one, but I might be wrong on this.
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>> “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
>> ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
>> ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
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>> since I just missed the start of Wonderweb by a few month I was always wondering if the phrase "we're all a bit mad here" was a guiding principle for the project.  ;) 
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> Actually, it was solid research, but not revolutionary.
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>> Who came up with the name? I presume it has to be one of the British project participants?
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> It was not me, but I do not recall who it was.
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>>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 12:53  - 17/06/19, Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com <mailto:marco.neumann@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>> but Pat that's already a useful delineation, during my time investigating context-aware mobile computing I also came to the conclusion that it would make sense to separate "context" that does have an altering effect on the meaning of the content from one that doesn't. Earlier in this thread I took the liberty to use the formula "contextual usage of knowledge makes it information", Kuhlen actually uses the word "action" instead culminating in the slogan: "information is knowledge in action". Pat before you disregard this little info nugget here as just gobbledygook keep in mind that it originates from social sciences and epistemology. I appreciate your own observation with regards to the use of “context”, it certainly can be a very mushed situation and participants in the discussion are not necessarily trained or prepared to partake in a philosophical debate about these aspects right away. But wasn't that always like that in AI research? Conferences, workshops, research bodies had to drive participation and increase range to be economically viable and socially relevant? It's no surprise that the Semantic Web community seems to be particularly vulnerable here due to its use of the word "semantic" (almost intentionally) in its name and the lack of "consistent use of terminology". Maybe best best to use "Knowledge Graph" here just as catchy AI marketing slogan like the "Big Data" or "Smart Data" categories du jour to be championed by respective market participants, it maybe neither or only vaguely refer to knowledge or graphs.
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>>>> PS: bad news especially when it comes to numbers I find it the greatest source of misunderstandings since they are almost always unexpectedly, by syntactical differences, used heavily use case dependent. BTW our social security numbers may not be as unique as you might think.
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