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Re: neural networks being purported as KR?

From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:59:09 +0200
To: Agnieszka Ławrynowicz <agnieszka.lawrynowicz@cs.put.poznan.pl>, Diogo FC Patrao <djogopatrao@gmail.com>
Cc: paoladimaio10@googlemail.com, ontolog-forum <ontolog-forum@googlegroups.com>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>, W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
Message-ID: <7d2ed7e0-8e6d-e682-a0d6-ff06abcf834c@ucsb.edu>
On 7/26/19 5:00 PM, Agnieszka Ławrynowicz wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Of course deep neural networks may be seen as form of knowledge 
> representation in my opinion, more precisely they are sub-symbolic or 
> connectionist representations versus symbolic representations which 
> are the standard in Semantic Web.


Same here (and leaving aside that the 'knowledge' in knowledge 
representation is a problematic term anyway).


> Though it is not „latest KR”, but have been there for a long time 
> under exactly the above name (sub-symbolic representations).
>
> Best Regards and cheers,
> Agnieszka
>
>
>
>> Wiadomość napisana przez Diogo FC Patrao <djogopatrao@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:djogopatrao@gmail.com>> w dniu 26.07.2019, o godz. 16:40:
>>
>> Hi Paola
>>
>> I'd say a NN is not as "knowledgy" as a decision tree. I would argue 
>> that NN is a mathematical model that compiles previous data 
>> representing cause/consequences, so it's the same type of knowledge 
>> as, say, a logarithm table, versus the type of knowledge the infinte 
>> sum formula for evaluating logarithms would represent.
>>
>> They certainly don't look the same thing to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> dfcp
>>
>> -- 
>> diogo patrão
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:58 PM Paola Di Maio 
>> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Sorry to bang on this topic, but its the task at hand at the moment
>>
>>     I just found an article, which is good scientific survey then 
>>     purports NN as a type of KR
>>     (casually sneaks in NN as the latest KR)
>>
>>     This is published in a Springer peer reviewed publication and my
>>     makes all of my hairs stand up on my head
>>
>>     This is the kind of rubbish that without further qualification is
>>     being passed down
>>     as the latest research, and  which the future generations of AI
>>     scientists are being fed-
>>
>>     wonder if anyone else has a problem with this proposition
>>     (sign of the times?)
>>     I am doing my best within my means to identify and contain this peril
>>
>>     Article
>>     https://link-springer-com.nls.idm.oclc.org/article/10.1007/s00170-018-2433-8
>>
>>
>>     A survey of knowledge representation methods and applications in
>>     machining process planning
>>
>>     The machining process is the act of preparing the detailed
>>     operating instructions for changing an engineering design into an
>>     end product, which involves the removal of material from the
>>     part. Today, machining ...
>>
>>     Xiuling Li, Shusheng Zhang, Rui Huang… in The International
>>     Journal of Advanced Manu… (2018)
>>
>>
>>
>

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