- From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 19:00:53 -0500
- To: semantic-web@w3.org
+1 to adopting Open Data, as opposed to starting a new one
+1 also to trying to get them to broaden their scope to include private
data, as Henry Story suggested.
David Booth
On 12/9/18 7:08 AM, Tim rdf wrote:
> +1 to adopting the Open Data stack as opposed to starting a new one.
> “Open” is the first of TBL’s five stars, and after that it’s just a
> choice of technology for publishing/accessing/handling it.
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2018, at 6:36 AM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net
>> <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like there is Open Data Stack Exchange proposal that is
>> already in Beta,
>>
>> https://opendata.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic
>>
>> as pointed out by the Stack Exchange question:
>>
>> https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/28389/what-gap-is-the-web-data-proposal-filling-given-we-already-have-opendata
>>
>> It may be that is what we are looking for.
>>
>> Perhaps one could get them to extend their notion from Open Data to
>> Web Data so that one
>> can also discuss access control issues and protected data, that is
>> privacy sensitive (which would
>> still require open ontologies).
>>
>> Starting a new stack exchange space requires a very big community to
>> get together to be useful,
>> so one needs to combine forces as much as possible.
>>
>>
>>> On 8 Dec 2018, at 17:16, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net
>>> <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2018, at 16:32, Christian Chiarcos
>>>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de <mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> very nice initiative, and I appreciate renaming it to web data. Just
>>>> added by 5 questions, too.
>>>> BTW: What we should probably do (to increase the number of relevant
>>>> questions) is to identify StackExchange questions that actually
>>>> belong here. There are plenty of them, in webmasters, open-data,
>>>> gis, softwareengineering, etc., just search for RDF, etc. ;)
>>>
>>> Good idea. I have asked my 5 questions and voted 4 times (I have one
>>> vote left).
>>>
>>> Here are the links to questions with those tags:
>>>
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=rdf
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=json
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=json-ld
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=sparql
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=xml
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=owl
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=semantic-web
>>> https://stackexchange.com/search?q=linked-data
>>>
>>> It's actually a reasonable question whether a new repository is a
>>> good idea given the number
>>> of questions there. It could actually indicate also that they would
>>> gain by having one repository with communities based on linked data
>>> that allow questions to be link across communities.
>>>
>>> I suppose
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> Am Sa., 8. Dez. 2018 um 14:44 Uhr schrieb Henry Story
>>>> <henry.story@bblfish.net <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>>:
>>>>
>>>> I have renamed the proposal to Web Data, as a stack exchange
>>>> site needs to be as wide as possible
>>>> to get people from all areas to contribute expertise. After all
>>>> it is the questions there that select
>>>> the experts, and experts don't want to follow too many different
>>>> sites.
>>>>
>>>> I can only post 5 questions myself. One needs 40 or more voted
>>>> up by 10 for this to start.
>>>> So if you can think of practical questions (including in XML and
>>>> JSON) that you have
>>>> had please post them there.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that it will be a great place for students to come to.
>>>>
>>>> Henry
>>>>
>>>> PS. There could be a question as to how it would help stack
>>>> exchange if it used linked data.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 8 Dec 2018, at 10:22, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net
>>>> <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 8 Dec 2018, at 00:33, David Booth <david@dbooth.org
>>>> <mailto:david@dbooth.org>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 12/7/18 10:18 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>> >>> Perhaps the trick for more pragmatic answers would be to open
>>>> >>> {rdf/semweb}.stackexchange.com <http://stackexchange.com/>
>>>> <http://stackexchange.com <http://stackexchange.com/>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good idea! I think rdf.stackexchange.com
>>>> <http://rdf.stackexchange.com/> would be best. Will you take
>>>> the lead on getting this set up?
>>>> >
>>>> > I have started a proposal for a new stack exchange group
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/120833/semantic-web?referrer=8LVIlli-Jxo2REi_fi0Evw2
>>>> >
>>>> > I have called it "Semantic Web" for the moment because in
>>>> order to get a good range of experts one needs
>>>> > to cast a very wide net (eg: maths.stackexchange.com
>>>> <http://maths.stackexchange.com/>). RDF itself could lean people
>>>> to think we are just
>>>> > dealing with a serialization format, where we want to
>>>> incorporate SPARQL, reasoning, linked data publication,
>>>> > OWL, libraries, algorithms for efficiently manipulating rdf,
>>>> publishing data on the web, developing ontologies, etc...
>>>> > We have a wide range of experts that publish in journals, and
>>>> teach students at universities under
>>>> > the semantic web heading who can help.
>>>> >
>>>> > To become public we need to gather a large enough community of
>>>> experts to participate, and
>>>> > we need 50 interesting questions.
>>>> >
>>>> > See the rules here:
>>>> >
>>>> > https://area51.stackexchange.com/faq
>>>> >
>>>> > "the goal is to come up with at least 40 questions that embody
>>>> the topic's scope. When at least 40 questions have a score of at
>>>> least ten net votes (up minus down), then the proposal is
>>>> considered "defined.""
>>>> >
>>>> > So it's really up to people here.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think a semantic web stack exchange makes sense, as the
>>>> semantic web is too practical for
>>>> > maths.stackexchange.com <http://maths.stackexchange.com/> and
>>>> too far away from many in computer science which has both
>>>> > {cs,cstheory}.stackexchange.com <http://stackexchange.com/>.
>>>> >
>>>> > But we'll see. If we get enough people from this list, we can
>>>> then spread the word through academia
>>>> > and industry.
>>>> >
>>>> > This mailing list could then refer to answers developed there,
>>>> and as a a fallback for questions that
>>>> > are difficult to ask. StackExchange tends to push people to be
>>>> very clear with their questions, when
>>>> > it is sometimes that is not so easy to do.
>>>> >
>>>> > Perhaps Web Data would be a more generic term even...
>>>> >
>>>> > Henry Story
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >> David Booth
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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