- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:01:00 +0000
- To: semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Cc: Tom Demeranville <t.demeranville@orcid-eu.org>
FYI: Minutes from the ORCID RDF telcon with Tom Demeranville (ORCID) and Phil Archer (W3C): https://gist.github.com/stain/abaf89cf40df2823dde1 On 23 November 2015 at 16:16, Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi Phil, > > > I saw you wrote up our earlier ORCID RDF discussion on > > http://www.w3.org/2015/03/orcid-semantics > > Thanks! > > > I generally agree with the improvements suggested, and apologize for > my quick "trick" in using the trailing /. > > > I would however not add #person - as it has been agreed since 2013 > that an URI like http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 identifies the > person, not just a person with the reserarcher role, or the > researcher's academic profile or anything like that. > > Adding a second #-based identifier for the person in RDF would be > quite confusing as it means RDF then only gets a second-rate > identifier for the person, which doesn't match the identifier for the > person used in any other systems. > > > Getting rid of the / I fully agree on, however. The problem here is > with FOAF which has forced a particular solution to HTTP Range 14 by > having a distinct feature of a foaf:PersonalProfileDocument which is > an information resource, thus it shouldn't have a # URI. > > (Of course we are not required to say anything about the > PersonalProfileDocument - but it was a nice way to give the PROV info > about when the ORCID profile was last updated) > > > Currently the ORCID URI content-negotiates and redirect to > https://pub.orcid.org/experimental_rdf_v1/0000-0003-0782-2704, so this > URI can safely be used as <> for the foaf:PersonalProfileDocument > (which would then still be correct when/if "experimental" goes) > > > For the foaf:OnlineAccount I agree that #account would work best. The > URI for the account is not really that important as long as it is > different from the person, and if it goes to a page the user can read, > that is great. > > > I'm arranging a Skype call (or equivalent) with Tom Demeranville > (CCed) from ORCID to discuss this next week, perhaps if Phil and > others who care about ORCID's RDF have availability you could join for > a quick chat? > > If you are interested, please mark your availability in the doodle poll at: > > http://doodle.com/poll/shmnn9nc3g5i84zr > > Thanks! > > On 10 March 2015 at 17:40, Phil Archer <phil@philarcher.org> wrote: >> Thanks very much everyone and thanks especially to Stian for being so >> responsive. >> >> I'm trying to write some recommendations for ORCID and this thread has been >> extremely useful. >> >> I don't want to have the whole discussion here - and I would have to drown >> several small furry animals if this turned into yet another HR14 discussion >> - but this is, perhaps, the heart of it: >> >> “ORCID provides a persistent digital identifier that distinguishes you from >> every other researcher and, through integration in key research workflows >> such as manuscript and grant submission, supports automated linkages between >> you and your professional activities ensuring that your work is recognized” >> >> Thus ORCIDs are defined in terms of what they *do*, not what they >> *represent*. >> >> Add that to what Stian has told us in terms of what will and won't wash at >> ORCID HQ, plus the fact that the IDs are already widely deployed (most >> notably in CrossRef) and it's clear that the options for improving the >> semantics are constrained by practicality - which might go against semantic >> purity. >> >> Hmmm... a two pipe problem (but not three I don't think). >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Phil. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/03/2015 14:36, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: >>> >>> Suggested line to fix: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/ORCID/ORCID-Source/blob/master/orcid-pub-web/src/main/java/org/orcid/api/t1/server/T1OrcidApiServiceImplBase.java#L198 >>> >>> On 10 March 2015 at 12:38, Michal Politowski <m.politowski@icm.edu.pl> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, I know. But as long as it is not 303 it still means in the light >>>> of httpRange-14 that the person is also an information resource - with at >>>> least >>>> an HTML and a Turtle representation. >>>> Which a person may object to. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 11:33:54 +0000, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You would need to content-negotiate: >>>>> >>>>> * Connected to orcid.org (174.143.185.160) port 80 (#0) >>>>>> >>>>>> GET /0000-0003-0782-2704 HTTP/1.1 >>>>>> Host: orcid.org >>>>>> Accept: text/turtle >>>>>> >>>>> < HTTP/1.1 307 Temporary Redirect >>>>> < Content-Type: text/turtle; qs=3;charset=UTF-8 >>>>> < Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 11:30:54 GMT >>>>> < Location: >>>>> https://pub.orcid.org/experimental_rdf_v1/0000-0003-0782-2704 >>>>> >>>>>> GET /experimental_rdf_v1/0000-0003-0782-2704 HTTP/1.1 >>>>>> User-Agent: curl/7.37.1 >>>>>> Host: pub.orcid.org >>>>>> Accept: text/turtle >>>>>> >>>>> < HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>>> < Content-Type: text/turtle; qs=3;charset=UTF-8 >>>>> < Content-Length: 2314 >>>>> < >>>>> @prefix gn: <http://www.geonames.org/ontology#> . >>>>> @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> . >>>>> @prefix prov: <http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#> . >>>>> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> . >>>>> @prefix pav: <http://purl.org/pav/> . >>>>> @prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#> . >>>>> @prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#> . >>>>> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> . >>>>> >>>>> <http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704/> >>>>> a foaf:PersonalProfileDocument , foaf:OnlineAccount ; >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps better would be to use >>>>> <https://pub.orcid.org/experimental_rdf_v1/0000-0003-0782-2704> as the >>>>> name of the PersonalProfileDocument. >>>>> >>>>> I could not get them to do 303 instead of 307 and do the Vary header >>>>> (this is done by some web-proxy frontend) - but perhaps you could >>>>> request that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9 March 2015 at 09:25, Michal Politowski <m.politowski@icm.edu.pl> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 16:00:45 -0500, Simon Spero wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.range-14.com/ . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Err, I mean; >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/14 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If we want to visit httpRange-14 >>>>>> then the fact that ORCID is claiming that: >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704> a foaf:Person . >>>>>> >>>>>> while their webserver is saying that >>>>>> http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 >>>>>> has a HTML representation: >>>>>> >>>>>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>>>> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 >>>>>> >>>>>> seems rather confusing. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michał Politowski >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Phil Archer >> http://philarcher.org/ >> +44 (0)7887 767755 >> @philarcher1 > > > > -- > Stian Soiland-Reyes, eScience Lab > School of Computer Science > The University of Manchester > http://soiland-reyes.com/stian/work/ http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718 -- Stian Soiland-Reyes, eScience Lab School of Computer Science The University of Manchester http://soiland-reyes.com/stian/work/ http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718
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