Re: New Hewlett Packard patent may be a barrier to Semantic Web services adoption

A brace of Joels -:)

That's interesting ...

Well this is something of legitimate public group interest where, it seems,
people are not powerless.

Best,

Adam


On 1 August 2013 18:13, Joel Natividad <joel.natividad@gmail.com> wrote:

> Second askpatents.com.
>
> Joel Spolsky <http://joelonsoftware.com> relates a story how he was able
> to kill a Microsoft patent with 15 minutes of his time by showing prior art.
>
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2013/07/22.html
>
> =======================================================
> Think Different! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_different#Text)
> Imagine Different! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tOgRD4EqY)
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Graham Klyne <GK-lists@ninebynine.org>wrote:
>
>> I don't have a "legal department to challenge the patent", but in case it
>> helps:
>>
>>   http://www.ninebynine.org/**SWAD-E/Scenario-HomeNetwork/**
>> HomeNetworkConfig.html<http://www.ninebynine.org/SWAD-E/Scenario-HomeNetwork/HomeNetworkConfig.html>
>>
>> This was work I did around 2002-03, and includes use of RDF technologies
>> to set access controls on a Cisco IOS router, which appears to correspond
>> to the first primary claim of the patent:
>>
>> [[
>> 1. An enforcement system for enforcing policies with regard to service
>> requests comprising a processor-readable, non-transient medium storing code
>> representing instructions that when executed at a processor cause the
>> processor to implement: a plurality of enforcer agents adapted to enforce
>> policies; at least one explorer agent adapted to evaluate policy
>> enforcement capabilities available to the enforcement system; and a policy
>> decision point adapted to identify the policies that need to be enforced
>> for a service request and to pass this information to at least one enforcer
>> agent to enforce the identified policies.
>> ]]
>>
>> I recall there was also an Internet draft published about this time that
>> talked about using RDF in a network management control layer: see
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/**draft-atarashi-netconfmodel-**
>> architecture-00<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atarashi-netconfmodel-architecture-00>
>> .
>>
>> #g
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/07/2013 20:15, Martin Hepp wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all:
>>>
>>> Yesterday, Hewlett Packard has been granted a patent on "Policy
>>> Enforcement":
>>>
>>>         http://www.freepatentsonline.**com/8498959.html<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8498959.html>
>>>         http://www.freepatentsonline.**com/8498959..pdf<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8498959.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, it heavily constrains the commercial exploitation
>>> of research done in the Semantic Web / Semantic Web Services community from
>>> 2001-2009.
>>>
>>> So if you worked on policies in the context of Semantic Web Services or
>>> Semantic Business Process Management before November 2009, it may be
>>> worthwhile to check whether the patent claims inventions that you can prove
>>> to have been prior art at that time.
>>>
>>> This may be particularly relevant for the organizers and contributors to
>>> the various policy workshops co-located with ISWC/ESWC conferences.
>>>
>>> I am not familiar with the legal process, but if you feel this patent
>>> claims what was already publicly known / discussed at conferences back
>>> then, please ask your employer or legal department to challenge the patent.
>>> It may otherwise put the usage of SWS in business applications at risk.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**--------------------------
>>> martin hepp
>>> e-business & web science research group
>>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>>>
>>> e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
>>> phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
>>> fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
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>>> skype:   mfhepp
>>> twitter: mfhepp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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