Re: {Disarmed} Re: How to put an annotation in HTML?

Hi.
On 29 Apr 2013, at 06:14, Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 wrote:

> Hello Hugh,
> indeed, what you want goes more into the direction of ontology learning and actually, I would say that your example is arguable.
> 
> If it were a definition, the kind of annotation you propose would be feasible:
> 
> The terms <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location">location</span> and place in geography are used to notice and or identify a point or an area on the Earth's surface or elsewhere.
> 
> Actually, what you mean and what is practical and useful is:
> <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin" its-ta-class-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location">Dublin</span> is a location.
Actually, it isn't :-)
What I want to say is the equivalent of "I live in some <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Location">location</span>".
Your description encodes the knowledge from the NL in the annotation, so is saying much more in annotation than I intended.
I simply wanted to provide an unambiguous URI for the word Location.
Of course, I would be better saying "I live in some <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Location_(geography)">location</span>".
Now what happens if I want to use http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location instead of http://dbpedia.org/resource/Location_(geography)
is the question I was trying to get to?
I think that your para starting "The terms…" say that I can do exactly that - thanks.
> 
> Although the first case, where you can define an ontology and mark up the references of classes in the text, is nice, it remains rather academic and marginal, while the other one is relevant for web-scale.
I don't think I agree (if I understand your correctly) - is the distinction between (possibly singleton) classes and resources really such an important one in this annotation world?
Is it any more sensible to ask where a word that is stated to refer the resource http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin appears in a document than a word that is stated to refer the class http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location ?
And even harder I can say there is a word that refers to the resource http://dbpedia.org/resource/Location_(geography) but I can't say that there is a word that refers to the resource http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location, because it is a class?
Best
> 
> All the best,
> Sebastian
> 
> 
> Am 28.04.2013 11:48, schrieb Hugh Glaser:
>> I'm not sure its-ta-class-ref is what I meant.
>> Your example (simplified a little):
>> <p><span
>>           its-ta-class-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location"
>>           its-ta-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin">Dublin</span>
>>       is the capital of Ireland.</p>
>> Sort of thing I meant:
>> <p><span its-ta-ident-ref="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Dublin">Dublin</span> is a
>>           <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#Location">Location</span>
>>      in Ireland.</p>
>> 
>> I am guessing I would need to do that, rather than use its-ta-class-ref.
>> (Assuming you can guess what I think I might be achieving!)
>> One says that this is a resource from a class, and the other says that this is a class.
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 Apr 2013, at 19:13, Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hugh,
>>> 
>>> Am 27.04.2013 18:47, schrieb Hugh Glaser:
>>>> Actually, your example <span its-ta-ident-ref="http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#developer">someone who works on</span> is quite interesting as #developer is an rdf:property. This might actually be problematic later in RDF as it causes OWL Full, when used as an object.
>>>> Ah - I think that is why I put it in - to see what happened :-)
>>>> I was thinking of putting a Class in as well, but I guess that makes less difference.
>>> Classes are tackled with its-ta-class-ref . Named Entity Recognition and Linking (i.e class (Person, etc.) and entity link) are a much more common use case than relation extraction, which is why we included it from the start. This was a given separation done by language tools, any how. Making a distinction between instances, properties (object, datatype), classes and annotations is OWL specific, so the motivation+rationale comes from a different domain.
>>> -- Sebastian
>>> 
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