Re: How to put an annotation in HTML?

it seems to me that knowing that a token refers to a thing or resource is
just about worthless and doesn't motivate the extra bits needed to say it
... after all that can always be assumed for everything.   I would rather
want to know to which class of things it belongs.

I suggest something more like this:
<p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
typeof="geo:City" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but hard
winters.</p>

Of course you guys would need to have the courage to actually agree to
start using standard names.

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Martin Hepp <
martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:

> In addition to my first proposal: Of course, you could also consider
> http://schema.org/Thing or rdfs:Resource instead of owl:Thing:
>
>
> > <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
> typeof="owl:Thing" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but hard
> winters.</p>
>
> > <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
> typeof="http://schema.org/Thing" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and
> short, but hard winters.</p>
>
> > <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
> typeof="rdfs:Resource" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but
> hard winters.</p>
>
> All three express roughly the same and should validate, assumed you use an
> RDFa 1.1 DOCTYPE.
>
> Also, the semantics is as intended: You express that there is an entity,
> whose type is not further specified, and that one know identifier for the
> identity is the URI given. I think this is slightly better than just
> assigning the identifier via @resource.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>
> > thank you!
> >
> > I tried the result here
> >
> > http://validator.w3.org/check
> >
> > and here
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/Validator.html
> >
> > and both said it is fine. I cannot find it in the HTML5 spec, but then
> again, the HTML5 spec is not the most readable of specs...
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Cheers,
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/4/24 Stéphane Corlosquet <scorlosquet@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> > On 24 April 2013 21:32, Stéphane Corlosquet <scorlosquet@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Martin Hepp <
> martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:
> > Hi Denny,
> > First, I think you describe a scenario that has a lot of application
> areas :-)
> >
> > One solution could be for the W3C agree upon a "NULL" URI (e.g. URN) for
> properties and objects in RDF triples, for use in RDFa and elsewhere. This
> would allow using the existing RDFa spec for your purpose.
> >
> > For instance, the W3C could define the URN NID "rdfa"
> >
> > Then, you could simply write
> >
> > <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
> typeof="urn:rdfa:NULL" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but
> hard winters.</p>
> >
> > (I did not check whether URNs are valid for typeOf, but I think so)
> >
> > An RDFa validator would be okay, an RDFa parser could be set to ignore
> the resulting triples, and if not, nothing harmful would happen.
> >
> > Another solution would be to use the owl:Thing URI, i.e.
> >
> > <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/"
> typeof="owl:Thing" >Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but hard
> winters.</p>
> >
> > I like the idea of owl:Thing. From reading the initial email from Denny
> saying that he is not trying to assert triples, something even simpler
> would be to just use the @resource attribute from RDFa Lite [1]:
> >
> > <p>It is well known, that <span resource="
> http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/">Springfield</span> has mild summers and
> short, but hard winters.</p>
> >
> > The above markup would validate 'as is' in HTML5 without even the need
> to use any particular RDFa doctype. Your parser would just have to look for
> the resource attribute and take the URI from there.
> >
> >
> > Would it also validate under a strict DTD, or in XHTML? An annotation
> that forces designers to interact with browsers in quirks mode will have
> reduced uptake.
> >
> > yes it would as long as you specify the right doctype for RDFa, e.g.
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">
> >
> > Steph.
> >
> >
> >
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