- From: Kjetil Kjernsmo <kjetil@kjernsmo.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:49:29 +0200
- To: semantic-web@w3.org
- Cc: Timothy Armstrong <tim.armstrong@gmx.com>
On Tuesday 11. September 2012 15.07.32 Timothy Armstrong wrote: > Well I'm glad people are talking to me, but I'm just surprised I'm > really not getting people to say much positive. I'll say something positive, then! :-) I think you're on to something very interesting and valuable, and something I've been thinking about for some time too. I have also developed projects using SPARQL and XSLT like others, but unlike others, I don't think it is at all the way to go. While writing recursive, cross-referential XSLT did give me some kind of perverse intellectual satisfaction, it takes way too much time compared to how web applications are developed these days. Instead, I started working on RDFa- based templating, but there was little interest. Nowadays, Callimachus has done that direction really well. However, I think that too is going to prove a dead end. The MVC pattern doesn't make sense on the server anymore, now that people do most of their view stuff on the client anyway. Still, there is a lot of stuff that needs to happen on the server side to provide the client with exactly the right data and enable exactly the right interactions. In light of this, I think it is important to give developers good server- side tools. However, I'm not sure that Java is the right tool for the job, mainly for two reasons. I have admittedly not have had the time to read your paper in full, so excuse me if you have dealt with it already. The first is that the translation needs to happen not only at compile time, but also (optionally) at runtime. If you can't do it at runtime, you're not exploiting the dynamic nature of the Semantic Web, and so, you could generate classes (or instantiate objects) based on any old competing technology. Secondly, OWL has multiple inheritance, and that is, in OOP terms, a very messy concept, and Interfaces far from capture what's interesting. I think a lot more research is needed in that direction. To do this properly, I think you need traits, with explicit conflict resolution, you need to be able to compose behaviour in a much more rigorous manner. See the traits research here: http://scg.unibe.ch/research/traits The Perl community has done a little bit of work in this direction, most recently, Konstantin Baierer with MooseX::Semantic: https://metacpan.org/module/MooseX::Semantic At a recent hackathon, we had a brief discussion about how this should be used and the business models around it. That was the harder part of the conversation, actually. So, while I think that the (too) static nature of Java and its lack of composable behaviour, I still think it is interesting enough to encourage you to write the code and see where it takes you. Best, Kjetil
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