- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:36:36 +0200
- To: Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
- Cc: public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org>
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:13 , Sebastian Hellmann wrote: > Ivan, > thanks for the link. This helps a lot. It is difficult for outsiders to keep track of the progress at W3C, which is why I opened this thread. > The Turtle language and therefore also the Turtle in HTML <script> will be part of RDF 1.1, right? Essentially, yes. I am not sure 'part of' is really the correct term here, but Turtle will be standardized by the same group, ie, the RDF Working Group. > > I am asking, because we might make use of this in NIF[1] in the following both ways. (Note that RDFa might also be an option or alternative). > Both options (especially B) are drafts, so feedback is welcome. > > > *****OPTION A (using hash - ids)***** > <html> > <head> > <script> It should say: <script type="text/turtle"> > @base <...#> > @prefix str: <http://nlp2rdf.lod2.eu/schema/string/> . > @prefix itsx: <http://www.w3.org/20XX/XX/its2.0/> . > <hash_10_6_03925a352b25cb24e02e1dae623d0936_Berlin> > itsx:mentions <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin> ; > itsx:entityType <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#City> . > </script> > <body> > Berlin is the capital of Germany. > </body> > > > *****OPTION B (using id milestones)***** > <html> > <head> > <script> See above. Cheers Ivan > @base <...#> > @prefix str: <http://nlp2rdf.lod2.eu/schema/string/> . > @prefix itsx: <http://www.w3.org/20XX/XX/its2.0/> . > <id_Berlin_uuid_3488jdndu438> > itsx:mentions <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin> ; > itsx:entityType <http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology#City> . > </script> > <body> > <span id="id_Berlin_uuid_3488jdndu438">Berlin<span> is the capital of Germany. > </body> > > > All the best, > Sebastian > > [1] http://svn.aksw.org/papers/2012/WWW_NIF/public/string_ontology.pdf > > On 06/12/2012 06:40 PM, Ivan Herman wrote: >> Sebastian, >> >> Stéphane Corlosquet has already commented on this, but somehow the thread went on: the upcoming Turtle standard refers to the possibility of adding Turtle into an HTML file using the<script> element[1]. [1] refers to the editor's draft, but the RDF WG is very close to Last Call. >> >> Some (essentially RDFa) tools already implement that, eg, pyRdfa[2], or (as far as I know) the Ruby based RDF Distiller[3] do it (possibly through a separate option setting). >> >> Does this help? >> >> Ivan >> >> >> >> [1] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#in-html >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ >> [3] http://rdf.greggkellogg.net/distiller >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 12, 2012, at 18:22 , Sebastian Hellmann wrote: >> >>> Dear Mark, >>> my main concerns are: >>> 1. What are the best practices to include invisible RDFa in an HTML document. I think Keith answered that. Maybe at the end of the body would be the most unobtrusive way. The same question was raised here: http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/10161/is-visually-hidden-rdfa-an-anti-pattern >>> I just wanted to reassure that hidden RDFa is not contradicting the intention of RDFa. >>> Are there any practical disadvantages (besides the obvious increase in byte size)? >>> >>> 2. Are there any alternatives to RDFa to include RDF in HTML ? >>> >>> All the best, >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> On 06/12/2012 05:52 PM, Mark Birbeck wrote: >>>> Hi Sebastian, >>>> >>>> It's not clear to me whether you are saying that you don't want to use >>>> RDFa because: >>>> >>>> * you don't like it, or; >>>> >>>> * you think that it needs to have some user-oriented manifestation. >>>> >>>> There is no requirement that the RDFa in a document is displayed to >>>> the user in any way, or that the triples somehow 'double-up'. This >>>> means that your example could also be marked up like this: >>>> >>>> <div >>>> xmlns:cd="http://www.recshop.fake/cd#" >>>> about="http://www.recshop.fake/cd/Empire_Burlesque" >>>> > >>>> <span property="cd:artist" content="Bob Dylan"></span> >>>> <span property="cd:dbpedia" >>>> resource="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Empire_Burlesque"></span> >>>> </div> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Sebastian Hellmann >>>> <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >>>>> Dear list, >>>>> What are the best practice to include a set of RDF triples in HTML. >>>>> *Please note*: I am not looking for the RDFa way to include triples. I just >>>>> want to add a set of triples somewhere in an HTML document. They are not >>>>> supposed to show up like "Wikinomics", "Don Tapscott" in the following >>>>> example: >>>>> >>>>> <div xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" >>>>> about="http://www.example.com/books/wikinomics"> >>>>> <span property="dc:title">Wikinomics</span> >>>>> <span property="dc:creator">Don Tapscott</span> >>>>> <span property="dc:date">2006-10-01</span> >>>>> </div> >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to use the strings in the HTML document as objects in the >>>>> triples. My use case is that I just have a large set of triples, e.g. 1000 >>>>> that I want to include as a bulk somewhere and ship along with the html. >>>>> Which way is the best? Do the examples below work? >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sebastian >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************* >>>>> Include in head >>>>> ****************************************** >>>>> <html> >>>>> <head> >>>>> <script type="application/rdf+xml"> >>>>> <rdf:RDF >>>>> xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >>>>> xmlns:cd="http://www.recshop.fake/cd#"> >>>>> >>>>> <rdf:Description >>>>> rdf:about="http://www.recshop.fake/cd/Empire Burlesque"> >>>>> <cd:artist>Bob Dylan</cd:artist> >>>>> <cd:dbpedia rdf:resource="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Empire_Burlesque"> >>>>> </rdf:Description> >>>>> </rdf:RDF> >>>>> </script> >>>>> </head> >>>>> <body> >>>>> </body> >>>>> </html> >>>>> ****************************** >>>>> attach after html >>>>> ***************************** >>>>> <html> >>>>> <head> >>>>> </head> >>>>> <body> >>>>> </body> >>>>> </html> >>>>> <rdf:RDF >>>>> xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" >>>>> xmlns:cd="http://www.recshop.fake/cd#"> >>>>> >>>>> <rdf:Description >>>>> rdf:about="http://www.recshop.fake/cd/Empire Burlesque"> >>>>> <cd:artist>Bob Dylan</cd:artist> >>>>> <cd:dbpedia rdf:resource="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Empire_Burlesque"> >>>>> </rdf:Description> >>>>> </rdf:RDF> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann >>>>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig >>>>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org >>>>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann >>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann >>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig >>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org >>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann >>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>> >>> >> >> ---- >> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ >> mobile: +31-641044153 >> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann > Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig > Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://dbpedia.org > Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann > Research Group: http://aksw.org > ---- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ mobile: +31-641044153 FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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