- From: Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:49:28 +0400
- To: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
- Cc: Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>, Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAAT7DEGZewRvUqU7xCQ8fNf=4Z610phHMESUxvBrxKGda5BjNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hello everyone! Back to spam issues. I've created a page related to spam cleaning and spam prevention. I'm planning to start cleaning actions soon enough. Here is it: http://semanticweb.org/wiki/semanticweb.org:Fighting_spam Everybody can add other ways you know to fight spam and of course volunteers are very welcome (you can register in Volunteers sections). Sincerely yours, ----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Hausenblas < michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote: > > This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should be >> easy to solve anyway. Short answers: >> >> * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and (mainly) >> on different servers run by different people. The responsibility is with >> the people who asked for the subdomain. Stefan Decker is managing the >> domain registration and should know who is responsible in cases where it is >> not clear from the web page. >> > > > Exactly. > > > > * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been migrated >> in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long as it is just >> static HTML content that does not conflict with new content (i.e., if there >> is nothing else under that URL now), it would be possible to put it back >> into its place. To do this, please send me an email with the archived HTML >> content and let me know where to put it. I do not have access to any old >> versions of the site, so I cannot help in finding the old content. >> > > > Maybe we should also have a look at http://semanticweb.org/wiki/** > Special:PopularPages <http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages>to figure what is relevant or not (modulo person-pages and long tail). > Happy to invest some time content-wise ... > > > Cheers, > Michael > -- > Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow > LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre > DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute > NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway > Ireland, Europe > Tel. +353 91 495730 > http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ > http://sw-app.org/about.html > > On 13 Jan 2012, at 08:57, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > > On 12/01/12 18:39, Bernard Vatant wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> A related issue is that under semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> >>> domain or subdomains are living several vocabularies (ontologies), some >>> of them are used in the linked data space, either by published data sets >>> or other vocabularies relying on them. >>> >> >> This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should be >> easy to solve anyway. Short answers: >> >> * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and (mainly) >> on different servers run by different people. The responsibility is with >> the people who asked for the subdomain. Stefan Decker is managing the >> domain registration and should know who is responsible in cases where it is >> not clear from the web page. >> >> * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been migrated >> in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long as it is just >> static HTML content that does not conflict with new content (i.e., if there >> is nothing else under that URL now), it would be possible to put it back >> into its place. To do this, please send me an email with the archived HTML >> content and let me know where to put it. I do not have access to any old >> versions of the site, so I cannot help in finding the old content. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Markus >> >> >>> But their status is variable. Examples : >>> >>> http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/swc/ontology<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology>is alive and well so far >>> and re-used e.g., by http://online-presence.net/**opo/ns<http://online-presence.net/opo/ns> >>> >>> http://proton.semanticweb.org/**2005/04/protons#<http://proton.semanticweb.org/2005/04/protons#>is alive and well so far >>> and re-used e.g., by http://www.bbc.co.uk/**ontologies/sport/<http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/sport/> >>> >>> But >>> >>> http://www.semanticweb.org/**ontologies/2009/2/**HumanEmotions.owl<http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/2009/2/HumanEmotions.owl>is 404, >>> although http://kdo.render-project.eu/**kdo<http://kdo.render-project.eu/kdo>declares that it imports it >>> Actually http://semanticweb.org/**ontologies/<http://semanticweb.org/ontologies/>itself is 404 >>> >>> http://knowledgeweb.**semanticweb.org/**semanticportal/OWL/** >>> Documentation_Ontology.owl<http://knowledgeweb.semanticweb.org/semanticportal/OWL/Documentation_Ontology.owl> >>> is 404 >>> although http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/**projects/semdis/opus#<http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/semdis/opus#>declares many >>> mappings to it >>> >>> http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/misc<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/misc>is 404 >>> although it is used by http://data.semanticweb.org/**ns/swc/ontology<http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology> >>> >>> And that's only what I can quickly discover using the results provided >>> by the LOV bot which explores the Linked Open Vocabularies space. >>> >>> What is the bottom line of this? Data and vocabularies publishers take >>> for granted that published vocabularies can be re-used at will and rely >>> on them. But when a re-used vocabulary goes off-line, not only we have >>> 404 in the linked data web, but semantics of dependent vocabularies is >>> affected. >>> >>> semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> is just an example. >>> Unfortunately it's not the only one. It seems that vocabulary publishers >>> are often not aware of their long-term responsibility. We have in the >>> LOV project even had answers from some people mentioned as vocabulary >>> creators who were not even aware that their vocabulary was actually >>> still used ... >>> >>> But given its singular place in the semantic web space, one could think >>> that semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> should show off good >>> practices ... >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Bernard >>> >>> 2012/1/12 Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk >>> <mailto:markus.kroetzsch@cs.**ox.ac.uk <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>>> >>> >>> Hi Yuri, >>> >>> let us take this to one mailing list semantic-web@w3.org >>> <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>, as this is the list that is most >>> involved (please drop the others when you reply). >>> >>> As the technical maintainer of the site, I largely agree with your >>> assessment. In spite of the very high visibility of the site (and >>> perceived authority), the active editing community is not big. This >>> is a problem especially given the significant and continued spam >>> attacks that the site is under due to its high visibility (I just >>> recently changed the captcha system and rolled back thousands of >>> edits, yet it seems they are already breaking through again, though >>> in smaller numbers). >>> >>> I do not want to blame anybody for the state of affairs: most of us >>> do not have the time to contribute significant content to such >>> sites. However, given the extraordinary visibility of the site, we >>> should all perceive this as a major problem (to the extent that we >>> attach our work to the label "semantic web" in any way). >>> >>> So what can be done? >>> >>> (1) Freeze the wiki. A weaker version of this is: allow users only >>> to edit after they were manually added to a group of trusted users >>> (all humans welcome). This would require somebody to manage these >>> permissions but would allow existing projects/communities to >>> continue to use the site. >>> >>> (2) Re-enforce spam protection on the wiki. Maybe this could be >>> done, but the site is targeted pretty heavily. Standard captchas >>> like ReCaptcha are thus getting broken (spammers do have an >>> effective infrastructure for this), but maybe non-standard captchas >>> could work better. This is a task for the technical maintainers >>> (i.e., me and the folks at AIFB Karlsruhe where the site is hosted). >>> >>> (3) Clean the wiki. Whether frozen or not, there is a lot of spam >>> already. Something needs to be done to get rid of it. This requires >>> (easy but tedious) manual effort. Some stakeholders need to be found >>> to provide basic workforce (e.g., by hiring a student to help with >>> spam deletion). >>> >>> (4) Restore the wiki. Update the main pages (about technologies and >>> active projects) to reflect a current and/or timeless state that we >>> would like new readers to see. This again needs somebody to push it, >>> and for writing pages about topics like SPARQL one would need some >>> expertise. This is a challenge for the community. >>> >>> I am willing to invest /some/ time here to help with the above, but >>> (3) and (4) requires support from more people. On the other hand, >>> there are probably hardly more than 20 or 30 *essential* content >>> pages that we are talking about here, plus many pages about projects >>> and people that one should ask the stakeholders to review. So one >>> might be able to make this into a shining entry point to the >>> semantic web in a week of work ... together with (1) and (2) above, >>> the invested work would remain valuable for a long time. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Markus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/01/12 10:43, Yury Katkov wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> What is the current status of the semanticweb.org >>> <http://semanticweb.org> >>> <http://semanticweb.org> website? It used to be the main wiki >>> about the >>> >>> semantic web, it has a lot of cool and useful information about >>> everything. But now it seems abandoned. I mean, there are about >>> 30 real >>> writers who update the information about their projects an write >>> articles, but they do something like 30% of changes. The other >>> 70% is spam! >>> >>> Are there guys who support the website? >>> Who manages the community, are there any plans of creating >>> projects and >>> articles about SW? Is there community at all? >>> >>> In my opinion if this great website suppose to be alive the >>> first goal >>> is to find volunteers who'll help administrator to combat spam >>> (with >>> bots, extensions and editing policies) and support the new >>> activities >>> and projets on the wiki. (I'm ready to be one of them). >>> If this wiki lived only in the past when it was a big hype around >>> Semantic Web topics and now without a big funding nobody wants >>> to use it >>> - wouldn't it better to be frozen? >>> >>> I appreciate and admire people who started up the wiki. Please, >>> don't >>> let it be the rotting memorial to the past of the Semantic Web. >>> ----- >>> Sincerely yours, >>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Markus Kroetzsch >>> Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford >>> Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom >>> +44 (0)1865 283529 <tel:%2B44%20%280%291865%**20283529> >>> http://korrekt.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Bernard Vatant >>> * >>> Vocabularies & Data Engineering >>> Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 >>> Skype : bernard.vatant >>> Linked Open Vocabularies <http://labs.mondeca.com/**dataset/lov<http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov> >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------------- >>> *Mondeca * ** ** >>> 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France >>> www.mondeca.com <http://www.mondeca.com/> >>> Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews <http://twitter.com/#%21/** >>> mondecanews <http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Dr. Markus Kroetzsch >> Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford >> Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom >> +44 (0)1865 283529 http://korrekt.org/ >> >> >
Received on Saturday, 14 January 2012 20:21:34 UTC