- From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:04:09 +0000
- To: Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>
- Cc: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
> This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should > be easy to solve anyway. Short answers: > > * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and > (mainly) on different servers run by different people. The > responsibility is with the people who asked for the subdomain. > Stefan Decker is managing the domain registration and should know > who is responsible in cases where it is not clear from the web page. Exactly. > * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been > migrated in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long > as it is just static HTML content that does not conflict with new > content (i.e., if there is nothing else under that URL now), it > would be possible to put it back into its place. To do this, please > send me an email with the archived HTML content and let me know > where to put it. I do not have access to any old versions of the > site, so I cannot help in finding the old content. Maybe we should also have a look at http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages to figure what is relevant or not (modulo person-pages and long tail). Happy to invest some time content-wise ... Cheers, Michael -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway Ireland, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html On 13 Jan 2012, at 08:57, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > On 12/01/12 18:39, Bernard Vatant wrote: >> Hi all >> >> A related issue is that under semanticweb.org <http:// >> semanticweb.org> >> domain or subdomains are living several vocabularies (ontologies), >> some >> of them are used in the linked data space, either by published data >> sets >> or other vocabularies relying on them. > > This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but should > be easy to solve anyway. Short answers: > > * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and > (mainly) on different servers run by different people. The > responsibility is with the people who asked for the subdomain. > Stefan Decker is managing the domain registration and should know > who is responsible in cases where it is not clear from the web page. > > * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been > migrated in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long > as it is just static HTML content that does not conflict with new > content (i.e., if there is nothing else under that URL now), it > would be possible to put it back into its place. To do this, please > send me an email with the archived HTML content and let me know > where to put it. I do not have access to any old versions of the > site, so I cannot help in finding the old content. > > Cheers, > > Markus > >> >> But their status is variable. Examples : >> >> http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology is alive and well so far >> and re-used e.g., by http://online-presence.net/opo/ns >> >> http://proton.semanticweb.org/2005/04/protons# is alive and well so >> far >> and re-used e.g., by http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/sport/ >> >> But >> >> http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/2009/2/HumanEmotions.owl is >> 404, >> although http://kdo.render-project.eu/kdo declares that it imports it >> Actually http://semanticweb.org/ontologies/ itself is 404 >> >> http://knowledgeweb.semanticweb.org/semanticportal/OWL/Documentation_Ontology.owl >> is 404 >> although http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/semdis/opus# declares many >> mappings to it >> >> http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/misc is 404 >> although it is used by http://data.semanticweb.org/ns/swc/ontology >> >> And that's only what I can quickly discover using the results >> provided >> by the LOV bot which explores the Linked Open Vocabularies space. >> >> What is the bottom line of this? Data and vocabularies publishers >> take >> for granted that published vocabularies can be re-used at will and >> rely >> on them. But when a re-used vocabulary goes off-line, not only we >> have >> 404 in the linked data web, but semantics of dependent vocabularies >> is >> affected. >> >> semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> is just an example. >> Unfortunately it's not the only one. It seems that vocabulary >> publishers >> are often not aware of their long-term responsibility. We have in the >> LOV project even had answers from some people mentioned as vocabulary >> creators who were not even aware that their vocabulary was actually >> still used ... >> >> But given its singular place in the semantic web space, one could >> think >> that semanticweb.org <http://semanticweb.org> should show off good >> practices ... >> >> Best >> >> Bernard >> >> 2012/1/12 Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk >> <mailto:markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>> >> >> Hi Yuri, >> >> let us take this to one mailing list semantic-web@w3.org >> <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>, as this is the list that is most >> involved (please drop the others when you reply). >> >> As the technical maintainer of the site, I largely agree with your >> assessment. In spite of the very high visibility of the site (and >> perceived authority), the active editing community is not big. >> This >> is a problem especially given the significant and continued spam >> attacks that the site is under due to its high visibility (I just >> recently changed the captcha system and rolled back thousands of >> edits, yet it seems they are already breaking through again, >> though >> in smaller numbers). >> >> I do not want to blame anybody for the state of affairs: most of >> us >> do not have the time to contribute significant content to such >> sites. However, given the extraordinary visibility of the site, we >> should all perceive this as a major problem (to the extent that we >> attach our work to the label "semantic web" in any way). >> >> So what can be done? >> >> (1) Freeze the wiki. A weaker version of this is: allow users only >> to edit after they were manually added to a group of trusted users >> (all humans welcome). This would require somebody to manage these >> permissions but would allow existing projects/communities to >> continue to use the site. >> >> (2) Re-enforce spam protection on the wiki. Maybe this could be >> done, but the site is targeted pretty heavily. Standard captchas >> like ReCaptcha are thus getting broken (spammers do have an >> effective infrastructure for this), but maybe non-standard >> captchas >> could work better. This is a task for the technical maintainers >> (i.e., me and the folks at AIFB Karlsruhe where the site is >> hosted). >> >> (3) Clean the wiki. Whether frozen or not, there is a lot of spam >> already. Something needs to be done to get rid of it. This >> requires >> (easy but tedious) manual effort. Some stakeholders need to be >> found >> to provide basic workforce (e.g., by hiring a student to help with >> spam deletion). >> >> (4) Restore the wiki. Update the main pages (about technologies >> and >> active projects) to reflect a current and/or timeless state that >> we >> would like new readers to see. This again needs somebody to push >> it, >> and for writing pages about topics like SPARQL one would need some >> expertise. This is a challenge for the community. >> >> I am willing to invest /some/ time here to help with the above, >> but >> (3) and (4) requires support from more people. On the other hand, >> there are probably hardly more than 20 or 30 *essential* content >> pages that we are talking about here, plus many pages about >> projects >> and people that one should ask the stakeholders to review. So one >> might be able to make this into a shining entry point to the >> semantic web in a week of work ... together with (1) and (2) >> above, >> the invested work would remain valuable for a long time. >> >> Cheers >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> >> On 12/01/12 10:43, Yury Katkov wrote: >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> What is the current status of the semanticweb.org >> <http://semanticweb.org> >> <http://semanticweb.org> website? It used to be the main wiki >> about the >> >> semantic web, it has a lot of cool and useful information >> about >> everything. But now it seems abandoned. I mean, there are >> about >> 30 real >> writers who update the information about their projects an >> write >> articles, but they do something like 30% of changes. The other >> 70% is spam! >> >> Are there guys who support the website? >> Who manages the community, are there any plans of creating >> projects and >> articles about SW? Is there community at all? >> >> In my opinion if this great website suppose to be alive the >> first goal >> is to find volunteers who'll help administrator to combat >> spam (with >> bots, extensions and editing policies) and support the new >> activities >> and projets on the wiki. (I'm ready to be one of them). >> If this wiki lived only in the past when it was a big hype >> around >> Semantic Web topics and now without a big funding nobody wants >> to use it >> - wouldn't it better to be frozen? >> >> I appreciate and admire people who started up the wiki. >> Please, >> don't >> let it be the rotting memorial to the past of the Semantic >> Web. >> ----- >> Sincerely yours, >> Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Markus Kroetzsch >> Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford >> Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom >> +44 (0)1865 283529 <tel:%2B44%20%280%291865%20283529> >> http://korrekt.org/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Bernard Vatant >> * >> Vocabularies & Data Engineering >> Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 >> Skype : bernard.vatant >> Linked Open Vocabularies <http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> *Mondeca * ** ** >> 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France >> www.mondeca.com <http://www.mondeca.com/> >> Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews <http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews >> > >> > > > -- > Dr. Markus Kroetzsch > Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford > Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom > +44 (0)1865 283529 http://korrekt.org/ >
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