Re: GoodRelations Light

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org> wrote:

> Leave the blank-node blank.
>
> If you need precedent, see Figure 6 of the RDF primer.
>

Maybe. I don't particularly like the "concept" language of the RDF Primer -
it makes it confusing to understand what we are talking about. Does the
yellow box labeled "1501 Grant Avenue" represent the street address of John
Smith? The concept of the street address of John Smith? The street address
of the concept of John Smith? The concept of the street address of the
concept of John Smith? A part of the concept of John Smith?....

Moreover drawing a blank oval might work for some in the know, but for the
general reader looking at a picture such as this they will wonder what that
circle is, and absent clear information will invent something, which in some
(too large) fraction of the cases will be nonsense.

-Alan



>
>  Aidan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Alan Ruttenberg
> > Sent: 18 May 2011 18:40
> > To: Michael F Uschold
> > Cc: semantic-web@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: GoodRelations Light
> >
> > The "node" language confuses more than it helps. Bnodes represent
> > things that we haven't given a name. For example when my wife was
> > pregnant, there was a growing embryo that we didn't name for a while.
> > A bnode might be used to represent that growing to-be child.
> >
> > Or I know that everyone (so far) has a biological mom. I might use a
> > bnode to represent the mom of a friend whose name I don't know.
> >
> > Perhaps a good common word to use would be "something", or "something
> > node" if you are fond of "node" language.
> >
> > -Alan
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2011, Michael F Uschold <uschold@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What is a bnode really? It has no name, it is thus  sort of an implicit
> > node. Whatever name we use for it should be suggestive of the meaning, if
> > it is going to widely used. Even for geeks seeing it for the first time,
> a
> > meaningful name is easier and faster to learn from and work with.
> > >
> > > "bnode" suggests nothying of the meaning."anonymous node" is a bit more
> > helpful."unnamed node" is a bit shorter, faster to grok"implicit node"
> > also captures something of what it means.
> > >
> > > Anything but "bnode" :-))
> > > Michael
> > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Richard Levenberg
> > <richard@connectsolutions.com> wrote:
> > > They used to be termed anonymous nodes
> > > r
> > >
> > > On May 17, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Michael F Uschold wrote:
> > > I have one concern: the term "bnode" may be hard to understand. Is
> there
> > another term that might be a bit more meaningful to the average potential
> > user? Or perhaps we assume most users will be geeks?
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-
> > unibw.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all:
> > >
> > > I tried to visualize the minimal RDF pattern for using GoodRelations in
> > a way compatible with both Google and the Semantic Web at large.
> > > Attached, please find the respective illustration.
> > >
> > > It is meant as a complement to the complete GoodRelations UML diagram.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Uschold, PhD
> > >    Senior Ontology Consultant, Semantic Arts   LinkedIn:
> > http://tr.im/limfu
> > >    Skype, Twitter: UscholdM
> > >
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