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Re: its name

From: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:57:21 +0000
To: John Pybus <john@pybus.org>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
CC: Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <EMEW3|6d019c2ace36ed3c456be1f8eb3f4676m37Bvj02hg|ecs.soton.ac.uk|C7E37521.1179A%hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Actually I think that URL has entered the mainstream - if I use URI to
non-tech people, they look puzzled, and ask if I mean URL.
And as for http:// 
Back in 2001 the ITU dropped it for their standards (ITU-T Recommendation
E.123) - http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-E.123-200102-I/en
If a conservative body like that thought it was not good, don't know why
anyone has been using it the last 10 years.

So my guess is that we are stuck with "web address" and URL, and have ot
live with that.

On 08/04/2010 10:40, "John Pybus" <john@pybus.org> wrote:

> Danny Ayers wrote:
>> I am the middle of uploading a media file for a friend, and I realise
>> she probably won't have a clue when I say its URI or even URL is...
>> (IRI might actually work better).
>> But it is its name dear...
>> Can we somehow spread the idea of digital resources having names that
>> start with http://    ?
>> What is it's name? Oh, http://...
> I think you'll find that the rest of the world has settled on the term
> address and you'll be swimming very much against the flow to go with
> anything different.
> What's more address more closely matches the observed semantics of
> ordinary web users, a web address is a way to get access to something
> (your media file) rather than a way of refering to it.  Once you've
> downloaded a video onto your machine there's no way to find it on your
> hard drive from its URI, you need its filename, or possibly other
> metadata such as an embedded title field.
>> A bit clumsy, but you often hear www on television. You just don't get
>> the idea it's a name for a resource.
> On the TV last night the weather forecaster advertised a new mobile
> version of their online weather updates with the phrase "found at the
> address below".  A URI was shown without the http://, after all you
> don't need to type the protocol section into the _address_ bar of your
> browser (and more knowledgeable power users know enough to call it by
> that name as used by browser suppliers -- except firefox who now call it
> Awsome Bar).
> Best,
> John
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