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Re: call to arms

From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 07:42:31 +0000
Message-ID: <y2n4a4804721004030042k59dbde56o372472e23b7a1751@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Ian Davis <me@iandavis.com>, Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
> I am not 100% sure that this would be relevant for all use cases, though.
> Semantic Web technologies are often used behind the scenes, so to say, as
> part of the back end (typical example is BT's use case).



yep sure - perhaps it may be useful to distinguish  these technologies into
two groups for this purpose, those who reqire a gui and those who dont?

though even backend sw system components may benefit from better specified
interfaces for the purpose
of facilitating integration with other systems

as I mentioned offlist to a replyt to Danny, it may be useful also having
some metrics/parameters of what would be considered
a desirable success factor/adoption for a technology, to gauge the
effectiveness of the results achieved
(is there any objective way to say if the sw is being realised or not, or to
what extent and in any measureable way?)

anyway I do think its important to have a w3c focus on this, I have seen sw
researchers and academics taking
the w3c guidlines and starndard very seriously and to the letter - some
usability and interfaces design tied in the specs, as well as
some target metrics for deployments, can only help to make sure the whole
picture is developed rather than just parts of it
even when the research emphasis is inherently elsewhere


Let me think a bit more about this

PDM






> That is why I think you should look at them first.
>
> Ivan
>
>
> >
> > 2. to make sure the interface satisfies the user requirement (as opposed
> to the user requirements as presupposed by the developer) a
> > task analysis would be useful , this would have to be done by the authors
> of the case studies, in conjunction with users and some usability
> > person (developers are generally not good at seeing the system from the
> user perspective)
> >
> > http://www.usabilitynet.org/tools/taskanalysis.htm
> >
> >
> > 3. to issue guidelines for researchers to make sure use requirements,
>  usability standards and suitable interfaces should be prioritized
> > and developed in parallel with other aspects of the 'infrastructure'
> >
> > 4. I am sure I dont have to say this, but users should be found among a
> wider and heterogeneous stakholder pool, so it would be a question
> > of the respective researchers to establish a network of stakeholders and
> users among their target communities referred to in the repsective case
> studies
> >
> >
> > Happy to contribute to this side of the sw effort if I can, a DERI MSc
> student contacted me offliest may be able to
> > help lead this effort, will ping you her details separately
> >
> >
> > PDM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> > Additionally to Nodalities...
> >
> > A fairly long time ago we started a collection of SW Use Cases and Case
> Studies at W3C:
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
> >
> > the goal was to collect real SW deployment examples in industry and
> academia (ie, not reports on university projects). It is not perfect, it is
> not complete, but it is a start. W3C decided _not_ to 'edit' those entries
> but, with minor modifications, take what is out there which also explains
> the different style and, frankly, quality of the submissions.
> >
> > It is true that, in the last year, the number of submissions slowed down
> which may be my fault; I do chase applications but it is difficult to get
> people do the extra mile to write things down and sometimes I give up. But
> improving, enriching, etc, this collection would be good and any help would
> be greatly welcome....
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> > On Apr 1, 2010, at 03:25 , Ian Davis wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, March 30, 2010, Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net<karl%2Bw3c@la-grange.net>>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Danny has been one of the most convincing evangelist for years. We
> need more.
> > >> ACTION: Tell a story to people.
> > >>
> > >
> > > We (Talis) are doing this with Nodalities magazine, blogs and
> > > podcasts, reaching out beyond the technologists. If you have stories
> > > we want to help you get them known - free distribution for your ideas,
> > > software, products, services or whatever. The only cost is the time it
> > > takes you to write a couple of pages or to chat to us over skype. Just
> > > email us at nodalities-magazine@talis.com
> > >
> > > Remember no-one on this mailing list is a target for evangelism: we're
> > > all convinced already! None of us are really target users for this
> > > stuff either because we're much more interested in the architecture
> > > and technology. We need to share stories and evangelise much wider to
> > > the people who decide what technologies their organisations should
> > > invest in.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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> > --
> > Paola Di Maio
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> > “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
> > Albert Einstein
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> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
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Paola Di Maio
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“Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
Albert Einstein
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