Re: Linked Data Mash-a-thon

I agree with this definition of hacker:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28hobbyist%29

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:

> blumauera@punkt.at wrote:
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>> kingsley, from a marketing perspective the first question one has to ask:
>> who is the audience?
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>> if you call it mesh-up, many people think: oh, that's a typo.
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>> if you call it hack-a-thon some people feel attracted from outside of the
>> ld-community.
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>> so, who shall he the audience of this event? juan, I think that hackers
>> play a crucial role if we want to see our community growing, great idea!
>>
>> - andreas
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> Andreas,
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> You are kind of asking the questions in reverse order.
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I disagree. First question is always "who is the audience". If we want
something like this to be successful, we need to know who is attending.  As
Giovanni put it, the audience is  "those that instead "would get bored
otherwise" usually funnel into these things" because everybody else would be
attending the paper sessions.


You are supporting the use of "hack" then asking who is the audience. Think
> about this for a second.
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No he is not.


> I also have no idea as to basis of your theory re. "hackers play a crucial
> role if we see our community growing...". That's simply not true. Remember,
> this whole Semantic Web Project has stacks of history behind it, and the
> periods of tangible progress haven't been intextricably linked to the
> activities of "hackers".
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This is not going to be mainstream if my web developer friends (who are
hackers... let's not go into defining what a hacker is please) does not get
it! I go through this every day!!!! And I have nothing worthy to show
anybody because there is basically nothing out there! We need to bootstrap
this!

> You have an event that is right next door to the Federal Govt., an entity
> that will ultimately be the largest publisher of Linked Data on this planet,
> and you truly believe that this is about bringing more "hackers" on board?
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Yes!! Somebody has to do something with the data!!!!!!! Somebody, anybody.
But do something. Make it worth it. So how about if all the hackers who are
at ISWC get together and do something! And there will be prizes too!

This discussion is proving my point (and of a lot of people I know) that the
semantic web community canno

1) articulate a simple message to developers (or hacker or whatever you want
to call them)
2) support one another in making the message accessible to regular
developers

Reminder: I urge everybody to try to explain what Linked Data and the
Semantic Web is 1) web developer 2) CEO 3) VC investors 4) my parents.

 Kingsley
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>> Am 16.09.2009 um 22:37 schrieb Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
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>>  Brian Manley wrote:
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>>>> On Sep 16, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
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>>>>  Juan Sequeda wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The objective of this idea is to show that cool things can be done
>>>>>> with Linked Data, and lets take advantage that the semantic web hackers are
>>>>>> all together at the same place.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Objective was clear, my gripe was the regressive theme of data mashing.
>>>>>
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>>>>>> In other words, lets rephrase this: a Linked Data Hack-a-thon
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why Hack when you can Mesh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hacking is overrated, overloaded, and easily miscontrued, seriously :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Kingsley, I find it rather ironic that someone whose cryptic,
>>>> buzzword-overloaded, often unparsable messages here, on his blog and on
>>>> twitter would complain about misconstrued terms or less-than-crystal-clear
>>>> communication.
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>>> As context improves on the Web my messages will be clearer. The great
>>> thing is that I won't even have to edit (bar typos), they'll just get
>>> clearer :-)
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>>>> If Juan wants to call it a Mashup, Hack-a-thon, or whatever...who cares?
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>>> Some do, its an event aimed at an audience. And audience in this context
>>> is supposed to imply: burgeoning pool of Linked Data meme enthusiasts.
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>>>>  Do Data Architects, Systems Designers, Data Integrators, and people
>>>>> with other data oriented technical skill sets not have a look-in here? I
>>>>> don't think these profiles gravitate to events that carry the  "Hacking"
>>>>> theme.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hell yeah, "hacking" is great term to use. Don't be such a stick in the
>>>> mud. ;)
>>>>
>>> I am a proud "stick in the mud" re. this matter.  I would like this
>>> community to pay attention to "inclusion".
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>>> Kingsley
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>>>>  Kingsley
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>>>>>> Juan Sequeda, Ph.D Student
>>>>>> Dept. of Computer Sciences
>>>>>> The University of Texas at Austin
>>>>>> www.juansequeda.com <http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>>>> www.semanticwebaustin.org <http://www.semanticwebaustin.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kingsley Idehen <
>>>>>> kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Juan Sequeda wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Hi everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Chatting with John Goodwin, and idea came up of organizing a
>>>>>>      Linked Data mash-a-thon during ISWC. There is a lot of Linked
>>>>>>      Data out there, enough tools to do cool stuff, and this is the
>>>>>>      biggest semantic web meeting, so why not show the world the
>>>>>>      cool things that can be done with Linked Data, in a short
>>>>>>      period of time. I haven't thought about details, but this
>>>>>>      could run for the whole conference, or have an afternoon
>>>>>>      session where everybody comes in and codes up an mashup. We
>>>>>>      can then showcase what we have done as 1 min lightning talks.
>>>>>>      My objective is to get people out of this community excited
>>>>>>      about Linked Data and what they can do with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Anybody interested in participating and/or helping organize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Juan Sequeda, Ph.D Student
>>>>>>      Dept. of Computer Sciences
>>>>>>      The University of Texas at Austin
>>>>>>      www.juansequeda.com <http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>>>>      <http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>>>>      www.semanticwebaustin.org <http://www.semanticwebaustin.org>
>>>>>>      <http://www.semanticwebaustin.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Why Mash-a-thon when Linked Data is ultimately about Data Meshing?
>>>>>>  Words matter a great deal when introducing critical stages of
>>>>>>  evolution witning any innovation continuum (which includes the
>>>>>>  Web), really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  You don't need Linked Data for Mashups. The literal realm of Web
>>>>>>  2.0 technologies handle that fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Linked Data is supposed to be about addressing those things aren't
>>>>>>  handled by Mashups -- which are simply about brute force
>>>>>>  presentation layer confined data recombinations, with code at the
>>>>>>  terminal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I would only be interested in a Linked Data oriented Mesh-a-thon :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Kingsley Idehen       Weblog:
>>>>>>  http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen<http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen>
>>>>>>  <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen>
>>>>>>  President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kingsley Idehen          Weblog:
>>>>> http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen<http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen>
>>>>> President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Kingsley Idehen          Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen<http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen>
>>> President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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> President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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