- From: Martin Hepp (UniBW) <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:10:04 +0200
- To: bnowack@semsol.com
- CC: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>
- Message-ID: <4A6828EC.5050802@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Hi Benjamin Benjamin Nowack wrote: > On 22.07.2009 14:52:05, Hugh Glaser wrote: > >>> Benjamin Nowack wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting. I guess this is another argument/example pro Hugh >>>> Glaser's idea of simply conflating resource IDs for the sake of >>>> "deployability". The example types <#business> as Vcard, Business >>>> and also as BusinessEntity which would usually be considered wrong >>>> RDF, but, as argued before, is more intuitive for HTML authors, >>>> especially if they found their way to the SemWeb through pragmatic >>>> solutions like microformats. We should really give this contextual >>>> semantics idea another thought. >>>> >>> Actually, I disagree completely >> Actually, not sure I agree either :-) >> > heh, neither am I ;) > But if even RDFers get the semantics wrong or simply interpret a > non-exact schema individually for their personal use case, it just > shows that data consumers and app builders will have to go beyond > strict RDF principles. Actually, for me it confirms that 1. there can be differences between the formal semantics and the social semantics of elements in conceptual structures. 2. it is practically impossible to define the intended meaning of conceptual elements solely by formal means. But we should avoid differences between the social semantics and the formal semantics as much as possible, instead of celebrating the social re-definition of formally defined conceptual elements, as it happens in the case of owl:sameAs or the use of owl:imports. Some tweaks may be necessary to make the Web of Linked Data fly. A too "tweakish" attitude, however, will just create another tower of bable. The main challenge in building good vocabularies is the conflict between two extremes: 1. Very fine-grained conceptual structures (many classes, many elements) are more burdensome to fill with data, but empower a better mechanized reuse of the data. 2. Very coarse conceptual structures are easy to populate, but require a lot of human intelligence or machine guesswork when processing or reusing the data. See also http://www.heppnetz.de/files/iswc-lightning-talk-hepp3.png In a broader sense and based on about ten years of conceptual modeling for exchanging information, the key task when building useful vocabularies / schemas / ontologies for the Web of Linked Data is to find categories of existence (classes, properties, ...) that 1. Are easy to populate from existing data sources (popular database schemas etc.) 2. Are sufficiently subtle to allow machine-processing of the data (e.g. separating values from units of measurement) 3. Are valid across multiple individuals (e.g. that class membership is agreed by many users) 4. Are valid across time (e.g. that class membership is relatively stable over time - "MostPopularSinger" is a class with very dynamic class membership) 5. Are valid across multiple contexts (e.g. that class membership remains valid if the data is used in novel contexts) Three slides on this topic: http://www.heppnetz.de/files/eswc01.pdf http://www.heppnetz.de/files/iswc-lightning-talk-hepp2.png Martin -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp@computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009
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