- From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:22:22 +0100
- To: Peter Yim <peter.yim@gmail.com>
- Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>, bawg@omg.org, "[ontolog-admin] forum" <ontolog-admin@ontolog.cim3.net>
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Peter doubts are okay, and legitimate (yours, as well as mine) There is absolutely nothing negative in my rant, rather an appreciation for the honesty of some of the contents of the keynote being referred to (havent watched it til the end though, ) and an encouragement to pursue further novel approaches, including OMG initiatives in this direction P On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@gmail.com> wrote: > Paola, > > ... I doubt if your interpretation/imagination of the situation (re. Pat's > keynote invitation) had actually occurred to the ISWC organizers at all. > > Your rant (in this last message) is coming awfully close to being > unacceptable in this "collaborative work environment" (where "collaboration" > is highly valued.) ... Please keep negative opinions in check. > > Thanks & regards. =ppy > -- > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Jim >> >> as an external long term observer of RDF and OWL developments, from where >> I stand >> it looks to me that people have been kicking around screaming about >> certain hydiosyncrasies >> of sw standards representations since they have been released. >> >> I am glad that they have finally surfaced and that have been picked >> up in recent keynote addresses, but there has been a lot of pressure to >> get people to admit there was something wrong in the first place >> >> It is great to hear sincerity in the keynote - but it is not Pat >> that has 'issued a call' - he merely echoing what the rest of the world >> has been up in arms about and aventually gave in and admitted it >> (very kind of ISWC to give him a keynote slot to make what is a grand >> apology in disguise) >> >> >> While it is true that heterogeneity (I am being polite - call it messy >> state of affairs) is a consequence >> of 'organic growth' and multiple strands being furthered more or less >> simultaneously - see what sticks approach - >> it is also true that some people who may have contributed to developments >> differently and avoided or at least reduced >> the number of 'errors' being made have been >> shut up and marginalised and eventually even kicked out from work groups . >> >> >> I am fairly convinced that if we do not want the same mistakes repeated in >> the future, we cannot rely solely on the same people and processes that >> delivered the situation in the first place, otherwise we are gong to get >> more of the same thing, >> maybe worse, as things get more complex, very narrow thinking is gong to >> serve us less and less >> >> The SW needs people who have higher level 'systems thinking' skills not to >> be bullied out of the sw development community >> by know-it-all arrongant narrow minded individuals >> >> I welcome Corey's and OMG and much needed fresh thinking, and possibly >> different approaches >> >> >> PDM >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Jim Rhyne < >> jrr@enterprisesoftwarerenovation.com> wrote: >> >>> I think this effort may be premature. At ISWC this year, Pat Hayes issued >>> a >>> call to substantially revise RDF in a way that is upwardly compatible and >>> which resolves several outstanding problems with the representation. The >>> most severe of these problems has resulted in the creation of several new >>> languages on top of RDF (OWL is an example) whose semantics are not >>> compatible with the base semantics of RDF. In other words, RDF is being >>> used >>> as an interchange format. >>> While I think Cory's proposal is very much in the right direction, I >>> would >>> like to see the outcome of the debate on Pat's proposals before >>> committing >>> to creating yet another semantic representation on top of RDF. >>> Thanks, Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net >>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net] On Behalf Of Kingsley >>> Idehen >>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:15 PM >>> To: uk-government-data-developers@googlegroups.com >>> Cc: semweb-31@meetup.com; ACT-IAC@actgov.org; >>> ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net; Ontology PSIG; eGovIG IG >>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [uk-government-data-developers] OMG Issues >>> RFP >>> for Linking Architectures & Models with RDF Linked Open Data >>> >>> Cory Casanave wrote: >>> > >>> > At the technical committee meeting last week in Long Beach California, >>> > the Object Management Group issued a request for proposals to provide >>> > better connectivity between models and modeling languages defined in >>> > OMG and RDF Linked Open Data. >>> > >>> > The OMG (www.omg.org <http://www.omg.org/>) is the premier standards >>> > organization for modeling, middleware and architecture. OMG standards >>> > include UML, BPMN, UPDM (UML Profile for DoDAF), SoaML, SysML, >>> > Ontology Definition Metamodel, Model Driven Architecture (MDA), >>> > Records Management, Corba and may others. All of these modeling >>> > standards are based on the "Meta Object Facility" (MOF) which uses the >>> > XMI interchange format for model interoperability. >>> > >>> > The RFP issued last week will result in a standard for representing >>> > all MOF based models and modeling languages using RDF and Linked Open >>> > Data. This has multiple advantages: All OMG-MOF based models (UML, >>> > BPMN, SOA, UPDM, Etc) will be able to be published as Linked Open Data >>> > and thus take advantage of the LOD tools and community. This will >>> > allow architectural information to be linked, queried with and >>> > analyzed with other kinds of information on the web and will also >>> > allow architectures to be linked and queried with architectures in >>> > incompatible models. Architectures as data will become first-class >>> > citizens in the global data cloud. >>> > >>> > The RFP asks for a "Structural mapping" which means that the model >>> > vocabulary remains unchanged. For example, a UML model retains the UML >>> > vocabulary. The structural mapping can then convert any kind of model >>> > without information loss, but it does not translate between >>> > vocabularies as is done in the UML class diagram to OWL mapping >>> > defined in the Ontology Definition Metamodel. Other semantic mappings >>> > and ontologies are expected in the future. >>> > >>> > More information on the details can be found in the RFP document here: >>> > http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ad/2009-12-09 >>> > >>> > /The objective of the RFP is summarized as follows:/ >>> > >>> > *Title: MOF to RDF Structural Mapping in support of Linked Open Data* >>> > >>> > RDF and Linked Open Data (LOD) have become important technologies for >>> > exposing, managing, analyzing, linking and federating data and >>> > metadata. This set of RDF based technologies, sometimes known as the >>> > "Semantic Web" or "Web 3.0", are emerging as the lingua franca of data >>> > on the web. Major initiatives such as the President's open government >>> > initiative are moving to the use of RDF & Linked Open Data as the >>> > foundation for publishing all government data and metadata in support >>> > of transparency. OMG & MOF based models should be a part of the LOD >>> > and Web 3.0 data cloud. >>> > >>> > The objective of this RFP is to define a structural mapping between >>> > OMG-MOF models and RDF to provide for better integration of MDA and >>> > LOD, to enable the ability to apply LOD capabilities to MOF compliant >>> > models and to make the information available in MOF compliant models >>> > available as LOD web resources. Any MOF based model should be able to >>> > become a LOD resource. >>> > >>> > The model/LOD connection is also very good news for the *Open >>> > Government Initiative* which calls for government to be more open, >>> > visible, collaborative and participatory. Government architectures are >>> > the primary source of structured information about government >>> > processes, services, rules and data. As such the data contained in >>> > these models, which will become visible as Linked Open Data, will >>> > further the open government initiative. >>> > >>> > ModelDriven.org has done a preliminary open source implementation of >>> > this mapping as part of the Enterprise Knowledge Base (EKB) project >>> > (http://portal.modeldriven.org/project/EKB). Those interested in >>> > participating in the standards and/or open source efforts are welcome >>> > to contact us for more information on how to engage. Cory Casanave, >>> > who championed the RFP, may be contacted at: (cory-c at modeldriven >>> > dot com). >>> > >>> > Please forward this notice to other interested parties in the ontology >>> > and modeling communities. >>> > >>> Great news!! >>> >>> Any chance of a URL to an HTML or XHTML doc? Word, PDF, and Open Office >>> as only options just doesn't play well, especially if the theme is about >>> Web of Linked Data etc. :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen<http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> >>> President & CEO >>> OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >>> Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >>> Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@ontolog.cim3.net >>> Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >>> Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ >>> To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J >>> To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >>> Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >>> Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@ontolog.cim3.net >>> Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >>> Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ >>> To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J >>> To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Paola Di Maio >> ************************************************** >> “Logic will get you from A to B. 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