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Re: Semantic Web Usability BOF in Busan

From: <editor@content-wire.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:36:42 +0700
Message-ID: <023e01c82364$20f24830$b30a010a@waralak>
To: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: <emmanuelle@sidar.org>, "'T.Heath'" <T.Heath@open.ac.uk>, "'SW-forum Web'" <semantic-web@w3.org>

Dear Ivan and all

thanks for the interest in this issue
it will be good to meet

It looks like from the responses so far that we have some momentum, and 
considering I cannot quite help with the debugging of the applications just 
as yet , I ll be happy to help foster a plan

Is there a W3C wiki page dedicated to Usability of Semantic Web where I can 
post some notes? If not shall I open a wiki elsewhere? Thanks

The people who have expressed explicit interest so far are
Emmanuelle Sidar
Tom Heath  Open U
Knud Hinner Deri
M Daquin Open U
Hugh Glaser
Roberto Garcia
J Chetwynd
Richard Cygniak
Ivan Herman
(update this list if I missed anyone)
Adrian Walker sent some notes (havent read yet)
[1] 
www.reengineeringllc.com/Internet_Business_Logic_e-Government_Presentation.pdf


Except for those who are not in Busan, whom we shall keep posted of any 
discussions and outcomes on list,  I look forward to be meeting everybody in 
the next few days

Tom Heath suggests a  BOF meeting at lunch on Thursday, which may be fine 
for some but others may have flown already by then, so anyone who can make 
it for lunch contact Tom directly to get details/directions

I hope that maybe an additional/alternative informal get together before 
Thursday an be arranged, for those who still have a spare slot and may have 
left by Thursday -  email your availability and/or just catch me ( I ll try 
to wear a tshirt
that says SEMANTIC USABILITY  if I can get it printed on the fly)

i am best contacted via  paola.dimaio ATDONOTSPAMMEANYMORE gmail.com, but 
cannot post to list from there

With the OK of the organisers, I will put up a notice on the conference 
message board about details

Look forward!
Thanks a lot for interest

Cheers
Paola Di Maio







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>
To: <editor@content-wire.com>
Cc: <emmanuelle@sidar.org>; "'T.Heath'" <T.Heath@open.ac.uk>; "'SW-forum 
Web'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Semantic Web Usability BOF in Busan


I will be there. And I would like to understand the issues and whether
W3C is in position to do something about those.

Note that W3C has been facing the issue of usability for a long time
(Semantic or not Semantic Web) but we could never get enough member
enthusiasm to start something more serious in the area.... (except for
the web accessibility area which probably includes a subset of the
general usability issues).

Ivan

editor@content-wire.com wrote:
>
> I think Tom and I and others may meet in Busan next week, this is
> something I ll put in my agenda too to instigate about. Anyone else on
> this list is going to be in Busan, and has an interest in Usability and
> Accessibility and related issues, please mail me online and I ll post
> details of any time/place suggested for an informal get together to
> scheme something up
> cheers
> Paola Di Maio
> www.mfu.ac.th
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo"
> <emmanuelle@sidar.org>
> To: "'T.Heath'" <T.Heath@open.ac.uk>; <editor@content-wire.com>;
> "'SW-forum Web'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:01 AM
> Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons
>
>
>
> Hi Tom and all,
>
> Yes, you are right, and it has not been my intention, "tar you all with 
> the
> same brush".
> But I know a lot of developers of semantics applications, which are nice,
> intelligent, and whom I greatly appreciate; And yet not often worry about
> the accessibility of his creatures.
>
> I think that the Paola's idea can be useful. We are working in some
> similar,
> so maybe we can work on it togheter.
>
> And we can think in another ideas. But I think that the W3C has some
> type of
> responsability on it too. And I'm sure that they can do something about 
> it.
>
> All the best,
> Emmanuelle
>
> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo  Fundación Sidar
> Coordinadora del SIDAR www.sidar.org
> Email: coordina@sidar.org
> Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: T.Heath [mailto:T.Heath@open.ac.uk]
> Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2007 16:04
> Para: emmanuelle@sidar.org; editor@content-wire.com; SW-forum Web
> Asunto: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons
>
> Hi Emmanuelle,
>
> I understand and share your apparent frustration, but please don't "tar us
> all with the same brush" [1] :) There are many people working in the
> Semantic Web field who care deeply about understanding, and catering to,
> the
> needs of human users (yes, you and I agree, humans are the Semantic Web's
> ultimate target audience). Last year's SWUI workshop at ISWC [2] and the
> next in the series [3] at CHI2008 are good indicators of this commitment.
>
> Sadly, and despite this, the human agenda doesn't always get the
> recognition
> it deserves in the community. Some additional initiatives in this area
> would
> be a great idea I think :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom.
>
> [1] http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tar+with+the+same+brush
> [2] http://swui.semanticweb.org/swui06/
> [3] http://swui.semanticweb.org/SWUI2008CHI/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: semantic-web-request@w3.org on behalf of Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y
> Restrepo
> Sent: Wed 07/11/2007 12:27 PM
> To: editor@content-wire.com; 'SW-forum Web'
> Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons
>
> Hi "PDM",
>
> I agree with you. There are a lot of work around the "semantic web" and
> maybe is a good work for the "machines". But I can't understand why the
> people working on it don't care about accessibility. The semantic web is
> nothing if can't be useful for the humans.
>
> Accessibility means usability for all. So, I think that complain with the
> WCAG must be *prerequisite* for each semantic web application.
>
> Best regards,
> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo         Fundación Sidar
> Coordinadora del SIDAR                  www.sidar.org
> Email: coordina@sidar.org
> Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47
>
>
>  _____
>
> De: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] En
> nombre de editor@content-wire.com Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre 
> de
> 2007 11:40
> Para: SW-forum Web
> Asunto: User testing for semantic applicatons
>
>
> I must say something
> There are a lot of cool applications coming up, I try most of them , but
> they are new I am not sure what to expect exactly. What should it do?
> How do
> I know if there is an error, or if this is really the way it should look?
> Little documentation, usability almost not taken into account etc.
> Also I dont have all day, just a few minutes, a few clicks, then I lose
> interest, must move on
>
> Now, the linked data below is quite straighforward intuitive interface 
> (not
> bad in fact) although a few more explanations and how to's would be good. 
> I
> also got an error when I tried it (different from the error below) not 
> sure
> what to do next
>
> All this to suggest  a forum is created to handle usability of semantic
> applications, where we 'users' can report our experiences and get some 
> help
> in running/understanding the stuffs. I have a lot of feedback and user
> tests
> already running on semantic applications, may be most productive if 
> handled
> collectively and shared, rather than just sent to the developers who are
> likely not to understand my problem anyway (we seem to speak different
> languages)
>
> thoughts?
> cheers
> PDM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Berners-Lee <mailto:timbl@w3.org>
> To: Hugh Glaser <mailto:hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Cc: Linking Open Data <mailto:linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>  ; 
> SW-forum
> Web <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>  ; Ian  <mailto:icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Millard
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Linked Data available
>
>
> Umm ,,, in
> http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea I
> get
>
>
>
>
> Request for
> http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733eaabout
>
> under the hood
> Label Request for
> http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea
> Status 200
> StatusText OK
> Accept-ranges bytes
> Connection close
> Content-length 2005
> Content type text/xml
> Date Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:37 GMT
> Etag "7785ba-7d5-43e4bd0f48e00"
> Last-modified Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:36 GMT Server Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat)
> Handler opt off expandfetchSourceFetcher.XMLHandler
>
>
>
>
> Something funny about the XML:  Line 2: doctype broken.  Shoud not be a
> doctype.
>
>
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <!DOCTYPE rdf:RDF [
>        <!ENTITY rdf 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#'>
>        <!ENTITY rdfs 'http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#'>
>        <!ENTITY owl 'http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#'>
>        <!ENTITY akt 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/portal#'>
>        <!ENTITY akts 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/support#'>
>        <!ENTITY extn 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/extension#'>
>        <!ENTITY wiki 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/wiki/'>
>        <!ENTITY resist 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/resist#'>
>        <!ENTITY resex
> 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/resilience-mechanisms#'>
>        <!ENTITY courseware
> 'http://www.resist-noe.org/ontology/courseware#'>
>        <!ENTITY dc 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>
>        <!ENTITY dct 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/'>
> ]>
> <rdf:RDF
>        xmlns:rdf="&rdf;"
>        xmlns:rdfs="&rdfs;"
>        xmlns:owl="&owl;"
>        xmlns:akt="&akt;"
>        xmlns:akts="&akts;"
>        xmlns:extn="&extn;"
>        xmlns:wiki="&wiki;"
>        xmlns:resist="&resist;"
>        xmlns:resex="&resex;"
>        xmlns:courseware="&courseware;"
>        xmlns:dc="&dc;"
>        xmlns:dct="&dct;"
>        >
>        <owl:Ontology rdf:about="">
>
>
>
> [....]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
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