RE: User testing for semantic applicatons

 Hi Tom and all,

Yes, you are right, and it has not been my intention, "tar you all with the
same brush".
But I know a lot of developers of semantics applications, which are nice,
intelligent, and whom I greatly appreciate; And yet not often worry about
the accessibility of his creatures.

I think that the Paola's idea can be useful. We are working in some similar,
so maybe we can work on it togheter.

And we can think in another ideas. But I think that the W3C has some type of
responsability on it too. And I'm sure that they can do something about it.

All the best,
Emmanuelle

Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo  	Fundación Sidar
Coordinadora del SIDAR			www.sidar.org
Email: coordina@sidar.org
Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47		

-----Mensaje original-----
De: T.Heath [mailto:T.Heath@open.ac.uk] 
Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2007 16:04
Para: emmanuelle@sidar.org; editor@content-wire.com; SW-forum Web
Asunto: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons

Hi Emmanuelle,

I understand and share your apparent frustration, but please don't "tar us
all with the same brush" [1] :) There are many people working in the
Semantic Web field who care deeply about understanding, and catering to, the
needs of human users (yes, you and I agree, humans are the Semantic Web's
ultimate target audience). Last year's SWUI workshop at ISWC [2] and the
next in the series [3] at CHI2008 are good indicators of this commitment.

Sadly, and despite this, the human agenda doesn't always get the recognition
it deserves in the community. Some additional initiatives in this area would
be a great idea I think :)

Cheers,

Tom.

[1] http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tar+with+the+same+brush
[2] http://swui.semanticweb.org/swui06/
[3] http://swui.semanticweb.org/SWUI2008CHI/

-----Original Message-----
From: semantic-web-request@w3.org on behalf of Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y
Restrepo
Sent: Wed 07/11/2007 12:27 PM
To: editor@content-wire.com; 'SW-forum Web'
Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons
 
Hi "PDM",
 
I agree with you. There are a lot of work around the "semantic web" and
maybe is a good work for the "machines". But I can't understand why the
people working on it don't care about accessibility. The semantic web is
nothing if can't be useful for the humans.
 
Accessibility means usability for all. So, I think that complain with the
WCAG must be *prerequisite* for each semantic web application.
 
Best regards,
Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo         Fundación Sidar
Coordinadora del SIDAR                  www.sidar.org
Email: coordina@sidar.org
Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47             


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De: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] En
nombre de editor@content-wire.com Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de
2007 11:40
Para: SW-forum Web
Asunto: User testing for semantic applicatons


I must say something
There are a lot of cool applications coming up, I try most of them , but
they are new I am not sure what to expect exactly. What should it do? How do
I know if there is an error, or if this is really the way it should look?
Little documentation, usability almost not taken into account etc.
Also I dont have all day, just a few minutes, a few clicks, then I lose
interest, must move on
 
Now, the linked data below is quite straighforward intuitive interface (not
bad in fact) although a few more explanations and how to's would be good. I
also got an error when I tried it (different from the error below) not sure
what to do next
 
All this to suggest  a forum is created to handle usability of semantic
applications, where we 'users' can report our experiences and get some help
in running/understanding the stuffs. I have a lot of feedback and user tests
already running on semantic applications, may be most productive if handled
collectively and shared, rather than just sent to the developers who are
likely not to understand my problem anyway (we seem to speak different
languages)
 
thoughts? 
cheers
PDM
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Berners-Lee <mailto:timbl@w3.org>
To: Hugh Glaser <mailto:hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Cc: Linking Open Data <mailto:linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>  ; SW-forum
Web <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>  ; Ian  <mailto:icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Millard
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Linked Data available


Umm ,,, in
http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea I
get




Request for
http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733eaabout
under the hood
Label Request for
http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea
Status 200
StatusText OK
Accept-ranges bytes
Connection close
Content-length 2005
Content type text/xml
Date Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:37 GMT
Etag "7785ba-7d5-43e4bd0f48e00"
Last-modified Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:36 GMT Server Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat)
Handler opt off expandfetchSourceFetcher.XMLHandler




Something funny about the XML:  Line 2: doctype broken.  Shoud not be a
doctype.



<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE rdf:RDF [
        <!ENTITY rdf 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#'>
        <!ENTITY rdfs 'http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#'>
        <!ENTITY owl 'http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#'>
        <!ENTITY akt 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/portal#'>
        <!ENTITY akts 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/support#'>
        <!ENTITY extn 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/extension#'>
        <!ENTITY wiki 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/wiki/'>
        <!ENTITY resist 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/resist#'>
        <!ENTITY resex
'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/resilience-mechanisms#'>
        <!ENTITY courseware
'http://www.resist-noe.org/ontology/courseware#'>
        <!ENTITY dc 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>
        <!ENTITY dct 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/'>
]>
<rdf:RDF
        xmlns:rdf="&rdf;"
        xmlns:rdfs="&rdfs;"
        xmlns:owl="&owl;"
        xmlns:akt="&akt;"
        xmlns:akts="&akts;"
        xmlns:extn="&extn;"
        xmlns:wiki="&wiki;"
        xmlns:resist="&resist;"
        xmlns:resex="&resex;"
        xmlns:courseware="&courseware;"
        xmlns:dc="&dc;"
        xmlns:dct="&dct;"
        >
        <owl:Ontology rdf:about="">



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