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Re: Semantic web discussions

From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:22:53 +0100
Message-ID: <464C2CFD.9070509@hpl.hp.com>
To: Stian Soiland <ssoiland@cs.man.ac.uk>
CC: semantic-web@w3.org

A suggestion as to what could be done, based on the discussion:

a) change the policy of this list to prohibit CFP, announcements etc.
b) start a new list for such things
c) have a robot send, say once a week, a summary of the cfp list to this 
list (not really necessary, but makes the new rule more palatable). Also 
one message, presumably with easily recognisable subject line is easy to 
ignore by those who want to ignore it.
d) put up a robot moderator for this list which uses Stian's rule below 
to autorespond to any messages that match his rule, with a reminder of 
the mailing list policy, and the suggestion to resend with a different 
subject line, or to send to the cfp list.

Note: I am not volunteering to write the two robots.

FWIW I would support such a change.

I tend to agree that it will be hard to change people's habits, hence 
unless we are prepared to have some moderation on this list, it is 
difficult to establish the rule.


Stian Soiland wrote:
> On 17 May 2007, at 09:11, Danny Ayers wrote:
>>> > Perhaps I just need to set up some clever email filtering to find
>>> > the goodies..?
>> If you come up with a good strategy, please let us know - filtering
>> the announcements to a calendar would be a bonus.
> Since I didn't want to do any strict sorting with this poor heuristic 
> (and risk loosing mail), I ended up making a 'Smart folder' in Mail.app 
> (on Mac OS X) with the following rules:
> Contains messages which match ALL of the following:
> Message is in Mailbox:  semantic-web
> Subject does not contain:  announcement
> Subject does not contain:  call for
>   ..    conference
>   ..    workshop
>   ..    CFP
>   ..    ANN:
>   ..    Deadline
>   ..    event
> I was saddened to see that I was not able to do this negative filtering 
> on the message body instead of Subject, and of course the more words 
> added to this list, the higher the risk for a legitimate discussion to 
> end up in the negative positives. (or was it the positive negatives?)
> I guess you could do a 'Does contain' instead and pipe it into a Google 
> calendar (which is somewhat good at extracting dates from raw text) with 
> enough hackery, but I am afraid I don't have time to explore that idea..
> Anyway, doing this I actually ended up with a view of the mailing list 
> that seems to be about 80% real discussions for the last months, so it's 
> actually quite clever and made the list much more interesting for me.
> Oh, and I would of course be +1 for the separation, or at least a strong 
> rule about how the subject should look, with social reactions (hehe..) 
> when people break the rule.
> A subject prefix [ANN] or something should be quite universal and cover 
> call for papers, call for posters, deadlines of workshops, invitations 
> to summer schools, etc.  What is the culture of this on similar lists?
> -- 
> Stian Soiland, myGrid team
> School of Computer Science
> The University of Manchester
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~ssoiland/

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