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Re: Semantic Web gTLDs

From: Dr. Francis MUGUET <muguet@ensta.fr>
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:38:18 +0200
Message-ID: <4346885A.2040202@ensta.fr>
To: semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>

Dear Phil
> 
>
> it is based on the fact that signing up for .xxx means signing up for a 
> code of conduct that, crucially, includes providing metadata, 
> specifically including ICRA labels.
that's interesting, but how you are to guarantee that those miscreants
that are offering porn are going to abide by your rules ?
  I hope to set up icra.xxx. It
> wouldn't be an adult site but might be a site about ICRA tailored to the 
> adult industry.
> 
Hope that this "industry" is going to listen to you.
How are you going to convince those "industrialists".?
<off>
Sorry, but I cannot help to underline that
the word "industry" is an outrage for a such an activity that
provides money to buy people in doing sexual acts.
This whole "industry" is a pimp operation and a liability
for the western world that disfigures the image of
the western world in front of other civilizations.
It creates an overreaction by biggots and
religious fanatics that is the craddle of terrorism.
</off>

> 
> To sum up, trust in the metadata is the issue, not the TLD.
It is the other way around, and it is more realistic
and adapted to this ruthless world.

In the beginning of the Web, almost all people were nice,
this has changed unfortunately, and therefore innovation
must adapt to this sad reality.

We enforce trust in creating gTLDs whereby by contract, people
agree to obey certain rules. If they don't, they are kicked off the
SWgTLDs without having the right to complain and or to sue.
Nobody force them to be in a SWgTLD, it is a voluntary choice,
and no physical property is destroyed or people hurt.
In fact, since a site can be accessed through several domain names
( very easy with Vhosts ), it might be even required that
an entity that applies for a SWgTLD, should have also a
traditionnal gTLD to refer the same site, in order to not bear the 
responsibility to make a site unaccessible to all.

We do not care, as a commercial registrar would do,
if we are not selling many domain names in the beginning,
the most important is build trust,
not trusts....

Best regards

Francis

PS: Perhaps, you should be interested in a SWgTLDs for your
constituency.



> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil
> 
> [1] http://www.icra.org/projects/quatro/toolsdemo/
> 
> Phil Archer
> Chief Technical Officer, ICRA
> www.icra.org
> 
> Working for a Safer Internet
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Francis MUGUET" <muguet@ensta.fr>
> To: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
> Cc: "semantic-web at W3C" <semantic-web@w3c.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Semantic Web gTLDs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Danny
> 
>> How do respond to suggestions that new TLDs are harmful to the Web, e.g.
> 
> 
> My proposal is to not create  "traditionnal" new gTLDs, but to create
> new gTLDs that empowers new technologies, make them implementable.
> 
> So far, the progress of the semantic web (SW) has been very slow, and
> often derided as the "pedantic web".
> One may ask questions why the SW progress has been so slow.
> If there is any studies on this, please let me know.
> 
> Use of metadata has been reduced in comparison to the early days of
> the Web. Except for specialized ones, search engines are not relying on
> Metadata anymore, because metadata have been spoilt by pornographers
> and "referencing" companies that are using any conceivable trick
> to cheat the referencing algorithm of search engines that must
> constantly evolve to fight those tricks. There is a secret war
> going out there.
> 
> One goal of a SWgTLD is a get clean, unspoilt, METADATA.
> Sites that are purposedly spoiling their metadata, are removed
> from the SWgTLD registry.
> 
> Since the goal of SWgTLD domain is to bring a real added value
> to the Web, and not to fill the pockets of private companies
> acting as registrars, we do not care if there is not a rush
> to  SWgTLDs domains in the beginning.
> Anyway, it cannot be slower that the actual progress of
> the SW in the current chaotic and corrupted cyberspace.
> 
>>
>> New Top Level Domains Considered Harmful - Tim Berners-Lee
>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TLD
>>
>> Why Using TLDs for Filtering is Ineffective, Harmful, and Unnecessary
>> - Ian Jacobs
>> http://www.w3.org/2004/03/28-tld
> 
> I do concur with what has been written in those two documents.
> I am going to add in the semantic.cc site a topic
> related to new gTLDs and put those links there.
> None of the criticisms voiced against "traditionnal" new gTLDs
> apply considerning the SWgTLDs.
> It is not about filtering but about empowering.
> 
> ICANN is making a lot money by subcontracting to commercial
> registrars ( at the TLDs level, and then for domain names )
> but this has adverse effects.
> 
> At the governance level, it is interesting to note that the W3C felt it
> has to take a position.  It is quite logical, since ICANN was
> implicitely dealing with content-related issues, not just
> plain addressing issues.
> 
> Many people, including governments, are believing that the current
> introduction of new gTLDs is a way for ICANN to get more money,
> as all brand names are being forced ( to protect their trademark )
> to buy names in those new extensions.
> 
> This aspect is not present is our proposal, as each SWgTLDs is planned
> to be managed by a multi-stakeholder partnership where civil society
> is going to be included.
> 
> Another aspect, is that despite the name, the SWgTLDs are not only
> about SW but also about DOIs and P2P.
> It is time that some truely non-profit project be offered as
> an alternative to the current DOI ( which is not using the
> DNS system of ICANN by the way, but a completely different
> Handle system ). I propose that this new alternative DOI be
> P2P ( BitTorrent ) friendly.
> Therefore in terms of technical innovations, we are a long way
> from ".xxx".
> 
> How does the SW community interact with DOI and P2P, I would
> be curious to know, as those two paradigms are spreading
> at a much faster pace than SW.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Francis
> 
> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Danny.
>>
>> On 10/6/05, Dr. Francis MUGUET <muguet@ensta.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I an new on this list, and I would not
>>> dare to qualify as a person with a decent
>>> knowledge of RDF/OWL,
>>> however, since the political circumstances
>>> seem propitious at WSIS ( World Summit on the Information
>>> Society  http://www.wsis.org ) , I naively felt it
>>> could be the moment to submit a bold proposal :
>>> Semantic Web gTLDs.
>>> I am in a position to
>>> propose this idea to delegations
>>> at the UN in Geneva, however I want to be
>>> re-assured that this proposal makes sense.
>>>
>>> see the site ( under construction )
>>> http://www.semantic.cc
>>>
>>> There are several specific proposed SWgTLDs  that
>>> are going to be detailed later ( unless I get convinced
>>> that my proposal is unfeasible )
>>> The two ome about which some thinking is under way by friends are
>>> ..ART  for digital artists
>>> ..EQUI  transforming the whole gTLDs into a worldwide marketplace;
>>>
>>> There are two perspective in this proposal :
>>> 1/ a proposal in itself, with interlinked technical and governance
>>> aspects, hopefully to be implemented preferably sooner
>>> than later.
>>> 2/ an illustration that the report of the WGIG
>>> ( http://www.wgig.org ) stays only at the bottom of
>>> the OSI layers, it dealt in part with Internet but
>>> did not deal with the Web !!!!
>>>  Questions about HTML, XML, SW, DOIs etc... were
>>>  completely left aside.. it is rather stunning.
>>>
>>> Your comments and suggestions are kindly requested.
>>> Since doubt is the beginning of wisdom,
>>> you can be brutally honest in your opinion.
>>>
>>> If you wish to participate to this adventurous enterprise,
>>> feel free to subscribe to the mailing as indicated
>>> on the site.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Francis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> http://dannyayers.com
>>
>>
> 
> 


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