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Re: Survey on semantic-web@w3.org

From: Jeremy Wong <jeremy@miko.hk>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:33:01 +0800
Message-ID: <001601c53389$e6874cd0$0401a8c0@wongkjo9u38gzb>
To: "Richard Newman" <r.newman@reading.ac.uk>
Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>


Thanks for your reply. And I thank, explicitly here, those whom they replied 
my previous message.

Please find my comments inline.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Newman" <r.newman@reading.ac.uk>
To: "Jeremy Wong" <jeremy@miko.hk>
Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Survey on semantic-web@w3.org

> Jeremy,
>   Rather than simply ignoring this, I thought I'd reply with my thoughts.
> - This isn't the best place to see "the semantic web market". You won't 
> get anything out of a survey on this list other than a little bit of 
> information about some people who are interested enough to take part in 
> meta-discussion on the SW.

I don't know where is the best place to see "the semantic web market", but I 
believe that this mailing list is a good place to see the parties who are 
interested in the semantic web technologies.

> - How about some vocabulary re-use? survey:name? What's wrong with FOAF?
> - I expect you could get half of this information just by scraping the 
> list archives for pointers to sites containing FOAF.

My strategy is to use "owl:sameAs" on properties, if it is needed. I know 
the existence of FOAF. It is likely that there is a vocabulary like 
"survey:name" in FOAF. If you find a property in FOAF is the same as the 
"survey:name" property, you can simply assert a statement like, foaf:name 
owl:sameAs survey:name. Of course, treating a property as a resource is 
permitted in OWL Full.

> - If you're going to extract age, name, etc. information from people, we 
> want a few things from you:
>   - Some code of practice for ethical research
>   - Some guarantees about what the data are to be used for, etc.
>   - Your intents and goals set out ahead of time. If you're going to do a 
> survey, you have to follow survey practices.

I agree with a point that it is an ethical problem. I should clearly declare 
my use of the collected data. Frankly speaking, online FOAF applications 
make me feel uncomfortable because it would collect and reveal a lot of your 
own human-network. And I always ignore those privacy and disclaimer 

I hope to produce a report using the collected data, without revealing any 
name. All fields of the survey are optional, in fact. Such that the minimum 
cardinality is zero. And the maximum cardinality is unbounded.

My goal is to close the survey in 7 days, which I think that everyone can 
make a reply.

> - There doesn't seem to be anything in your survey which would be of much 
> use anonymously, or which could answer any questions for that matter.

I do hope that every viewer of the report would have his/her own inception. 
Letting you know how many semantic friends are nearby, for example.

>   Care to fill us in?


> Regards,
> -Richard
> On Mar 28, 2005, at 04:53, Jeremy Wong wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I would like to do a survey on this mailing list, in order to see the 
>> semantic web market worldwide. It would be grateful if you can give a 
>> helping hand on this.
>> To do the survey, please reply this message and fill in the survey 
>> triples as I demonstrated below.
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Jeremy
>> --
>> Sample survey triples:
>> @prefix survey: <http://example.org/2005/survey#> ..
>> []
>> survey:name "Jeremy Wong" ;
>> survey:birthYear "1980" ;
>> survey:country "Hong Kong, China" ;
>> survey:organization "City University of Hong Kong" ;
>> survey:role "Undergraduate Student" ..
>> --
>> Alternate survey triples:
>> @prefix survey: <http://example.org/2005/survey#> ..
>> @prefix xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#> ..
>> @prefix country: <http://www.daml.org/2001/09/countries/iso#> ..
>> []
>> survey:name "Jeremy Wong"^^xsd:string ;
>> survey:birthYear "1980"^^xsd:year ;
>> survey:country country:HK ;
>> survey:organization <http://www.cs.cityu.edu.hk/> ;
>> survey:role "Undergraduate Student"^^xsd:string .

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