XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #668 MINUTES 2017-06-13

XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #668 Minutes 2017-06-13


Andy did chair this meeting. Michael Kay scripsit.

PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!

Changes in this agenda:



This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.3 (Serialization)
J4.6 (Test suite)
J5.3 (Progression) - Vote to publish Req & use-case documents as WG Notes


Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html>



SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
properly applied.

AGREED that we should keep the test suite repository open for new additions and updates for the time being.


NEW ACTION ITEMS
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Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
accompanied by their titles.

§§ ACTION A-668-01 (Bug 30119 - command element in HTML5) Andy and MSMcQ to draft an erratum and close the bug as proposed.

 <>§§ ACTION A-668-02 (Bug 30119 - command element in HTML5) Josh to fix the test case Serialization-html-2 referred to in the bug report.

§§ ACTION A-668-03 MHK to add a new feature flag to the test suite indicating tests that require HTTP access, and to mark test case fn-unparsed-text-054 with this flag.

§§ ACTION A-668-04 Josh to fix the expected result of test case Serialization-html-19c as suggested in bug 30120.

§§ ACTION A-668-05 Josh to raise a bug pointing out that some namespaces in the Serialization spec have been mis-edited to use "https" rather than "http".

§§ ACTION A-668-06 Andy and MSMcQ to fix the bug referred to in action A-668-05.

§§ ACTION A-668-07 Andy to cause the two documents (XQuery Scripting Extension 1.0 (Use Cases | Requirements)) to be republished as WG Notes.




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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Abel has been asked to take the minutes.  Mike has been asked to stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Abel Braaksma       - 2016-10-18, 2016-06-28
Mike Kay            - 2016-11-15, 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-11-29, 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-12-06, 2016-09-27, 2016-06-07
Michael Dyck        - 2017-01-10, 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14
Liam Quin           - 2017-01-17, 2016-10-25, 2016-09-13
Josh Spiegel        - 2017-01-31, 2016-11-01, 2016-07-19
Jonathan Robie      - 2017-03-07, 2016-11-08, 2016-07-05



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex  
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.


present: Abel, Josh, Mike K, O'Neil, Liam, Michael SpMcQ
regrets: Michael Dyck


XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org>

XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org>


Regrets:




J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?



J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #667 (Jonathan)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Mar/0002.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Mar/0002.html>

§ The minutes were accepted.

J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-657-12: ABr to create more tests for fn:transform, as he describes in bug 29834

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-26

§§ Overtaken: MHK has revised the transform tests.


ACTION A-661-04 (Bug 29997) AB to fix up the dependencies on the fn:transform tests and if appropriate resubmit results.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

§§ Overtaken: MHK has revised the transform tests.


ACTION A-662-04: MikeKay to investigate bug 29932

Status: Pending; ETA 2017-04-04

§§ Bug is marked resolved/fixed.


ACTION A-663-02: MK to respond to original commentor (Thomas Fischer)
w.r.t. our decision on bug 30025 "[F+O3.1] array:join() - misleading
name" (WORKSFORME).

Status: Pending; ETA 2017-04-04

§§ Action dropped.


ACTION A-663-03: MK to respond to original commentor w.r.t. our
decision on bug 30024 "[F+O 3.1] Is map:entry superfluous?" (FIXED).

Status: Pending; ETA 2017-04-04

§§ Action dropped.

J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-663-04: MK to address test suite bug 30023 [qt3ts]
fn-transform-err-9a (which he may already have fixed).

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30023#c2 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30023#c2>


ACTION-666-01 - Mike to update the namespace document as described in bug 30055.

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30055#c3 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30055#c3>

ACTION-666-03 - Mike to address editorial bugs 30055, 30053, 30052

Status: Closed; Reported in bugzilla entries.


ACTION A-667-001 - Mike to fix Bug 30069 editorially.

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30069#c3 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30069#c3>


ACTION A-667-002:  O'Neil to remove the test associated with Bug 30023.

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30023#c2 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30023#c2>



J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)

§§ XSLT 3.0 went to Rec on 8 June 2017

§§ Congratulations were offered.

J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)

§§ Background activity, nothing we need to report on.

J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V48] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Feb/0000.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Feb/0000.html>

§§ Leave the current meetings on the schedule but they might be cancelled.

§§ Liam reported a change in W3C process: WGs are not being terminated, they are being allowed to carry on maintenance indefinitely (or until a new process is defined).

J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

(none)


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.1 suite of specifications.


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
XSLT WG documents

(none)



J4. Active Specification Development


** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.



J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Andy)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt>

(none)


J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt>

(none)


J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt>


J4.3.1 Bug 30119 - 'COMMAND' element as HTML element
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30119 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30119>

Status: Ready to discuss

§§ MSMcQ – thinks that just because HTML4/5 don't have a command element, it's not necessarily wrong for us to mention it.

§§ Josh – actually it had a very short-lived existence in HTML5.

§§ MSMcQ – OK, I see it wasn't in any earlier HTML versions. We should just drop it.

§§ Josh – it's available in Firefox only and they deprecate it.

§§ Andy asked what the process is for publishing errata. How much W3C process is there? We believe the WG can simply do it, and errata should be consolidated at some point. Liam will find out what the actual mechanics of updating the document are. Noted that it's in a /2017/ directory not in /TR/.

§§ ACTION A-668-01 on Andy and MSMcQ to draft an erratum and close the bug (30119) as proposed.

§§ ACTION A-668-02 on Josh to fix the test case referred to in bug 30119.

J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt>

(none)


J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

(none)


J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools

§§ Mike K asked should we keep the test suite open for updates – answer, yes.


J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results

Status: Currently five implementers submitted results


J4.6.3 Bug 30078 - fn-unparsed-text-054 depends on external resource
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30078 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30078>

Status: Ready to discuss

§§ AGREED we should add a feature flag to mark tests that require HTTP access

§§ ACTION A-668-03 MHK to add a new feature flag to the test suite indicating tests that require HTTP access, and to mark test case fn-unparsed-text-054 with this flag.


J4.6.4 Bug 30084 - fn:transform tests that are no longer errors
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30084 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30084>

Status: Ready to discuss

§§ Already resolved.


J4.6.5 Bug 30120 - Test Serialization-html-19c
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30120 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30120>

Status: Ready to discuss

§§ Josh: concerned because everyone is reporting passing this test. But the bug looks valid, the test doesn't appear to do what the spec says it should.

§§ Mike K: yes, we've been reporting a pass on this test, and when we looked at it, there's a chunk of the spec that we aren't implementing yet.

§§ We agree that the spec is right, the test is wrong, (and therefore the implementations are wrong...).

§§ ACTION A-668-04 Josh to fix the expected result of test case Serialization-html-19c as suggested in bug 30120.

§§ Josh observed that some namespaces in the Serialization spec have been mis-edited to "https" rather than "http".  

§§ ACTION A-668-05 Josh to raise a bug pointing out that some namespaces in the Serialization spec have been mis-edited to use "https" rather than "http".

§§ ACTION A-668-06 Andy and MSMcQ to fix the bug referred to in action A-668-05.

J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* Recommendation


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression


J5.2 Update 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* Working Group Note

Insufficient resources and interest to continue development


J5.3 Publication of all unfinished documents as WG Notes

Before the WG closes, we need to close off all document that still indicate that they are in active development.  The status of documents owned by this WG is summarised here:

https://www.w3.org/standards/techs/xquery#w3c_all <https://www.w3.org/standards/techs/xquery#w3c_all>

§§ The WG AGREED to republish the two documents listed below as Notes with an update to the document status.

§§ ACTION A-668-07 Andy to cause the two documents (XQuery Scripting Extension 1.0 (Use Cases | Requirements)) to be republished as WG Notes.

J5.3.1 Vote to publish XQuery Scripting Extension 1.0 Use Cases as WG Note
https://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-sx-10-use-cases/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-sx-10-use-cases/>


J5.3.2 Vote to publish XQuery Scripting Extension 1.0 Requirements as WG Note
https://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-sx-10-requirements/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-sx-10-requirements/>



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications.


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources



J7. Adjourn




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XML Query Working Group
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Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.


Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt>

(none)


Q2.2 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt>

(none)


Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests



Q4. Any other business



Q5. Adjourn




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