Minutes from XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #670 on 2017-08-29

> DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #670 Agenda 2017-08-29

Minutes from XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #670, 2017-08-29

Andy chaired this meeting.
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> Andy will chair this meeting.
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> Changes in this agenda:

Added:
J4.4.4 Question about examples of "?" operator for maps and arrays
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qt-comments/2017Jul/0038.html
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> This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
> J4.2 (F&O)
> J4.4 (XPath)
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> Key:
> J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
> Q = Query-only meeting
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> Teleconference connection details
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> *** PLEASE NOTE NEW CONNECTION DETAILS ***
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> (Member only)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Aug/0000.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Aug/0000.html>
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> SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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DECIDED to accept bug 30151

DECIDED WG agrees that that the bug described in July message 38 should be fixed with an errata document

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> NEW ACTION ITEMS
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ACTION A-670-01: Michael sperberg-Queen to copy errata document prepared by Mike Kay. From https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/errata/xpath-functions-31/html/xpath-functions-31-errata.html <https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/errata/xpath-functions-31/html/xpath-functions-31-errata.html>
to https://www.w3.org/XML/2017/qt-errata/xpath-functions-31-errata.html <https://www.w3.org/XML/2017/qt-errata/xpath-functions-31-errata.html>

ACTION A-670-02: Andy to create a new monthly schedule for teleconference meetings.

ACTION A-670-03: - Mike Kay to create an errata entry for the bug 30151 - Write properties section for fn:boolean and to provide text for what the default is for operators without a properties section.

ACTION A-670-04: Andy to ask Jonathan to address bug 30155. To create errata document or just close it.

ACTION A-670-05: Andy to respond to bug 30169.

ACTION A-670-06: Andy to open a new bug for July message 38.
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> Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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> J1. Administrative Items
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> J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
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> Abel has been asked to take the minutes.  O'Neil has been asked to stand 
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> NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
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> Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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> (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
> participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
> name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
> meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
> the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
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> Abel Braaksma       - 2016-10-18, 2016-06-28
> O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-11-29, 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19
> Michael Dyck        - 2017-01-10, 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14
> Liam Quin           - 2017-01-17, 2016-10-25, 2016-09-13
> Josh Spiegel        - 2017-01-31, 2016-11-01, 2016-07-19
> Jonathan Robie      - 2017-03-07, 2016-11-08, 2016-07-05
> Mike Kay            - 2017-06-13, 2016-11-15, 2016-07-26
> Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2017-07-11, 2016-12-06, 2016-09-27

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> J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
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> Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
> participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
> regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.
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> XML Query WG membership list: 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org>
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> XSL WG membership list: 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org>
Present:

O’Neil Delpratt
Andy Coleman
Michael Sperberg-McQueen
Michal Dyck
Michael Kay

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> Regrets:
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> J1.3 Approval of agenda
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> J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?
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The agenda was published in August message 0:

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Aug/0000.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Aug/0000.html>

Changes:

Added J4.4.4 Question about examples of "?" operator for maps and arrays
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qt-comments/2017Jul/0038.html

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> J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
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> J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #669 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0003.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0003.html>

Approved
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> J1.5 Review of action items
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> NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!
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> J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
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> ACTION A-668-04 Josh to fix the expected result of test case 
> Serialization-html-19c as suggested in bug 30120.
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> Status: Pending; ETA 2017-08-29

Leave open
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> ACTION A-669-01: MK to prepare an erratum for Bug 30133, prepare new 
> errata document. ETA 29 August. 
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> Status: Pending; ETA 2017-08-29

DONE. Close.

ACTION A670-01: Michael sperberg-Queen to copy errata document prepared by Mike Kay. From https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/errata/xpath-functions-31/html/xpath-functions-31-errata.html <https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/errata/xpath-functions-31/html/xpath-functions-31-errata.html>
to https://www.w3.org/XML/2017/qt-errata/xpath-functions-31-errata.html <https://www.w3.org/XML/2017/qt-errata/xpath-functions-31-errata.html>
DONE


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> J1.5.2 Completed action items
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> ACTION A-668-01 (Bug 30119 - command element in HTML5) Andy and MSMcQ to 
> draft an erratum and close the bug as proposed.
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> Status: Closed; See
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0001.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0001.html>
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> ACTION A-668-02 (Bug 30119 - command element in HTML5) Josh to fix the 
> test case Serialization-html-2 referred to in the bug report.
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> Status: Closed; Completed by MikeK
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> ACTION A-668-03 MHK to add a new feature flag to the test suite indicating 
> tests that require HTTP access, and to mark test case fn-unparsed-text-054 
> with this flag.
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> Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting
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> ACTION A-668-06 Andy and MSMcQ to fix the bug referred to in action 
> A-668-05.
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> Status: Closed; See
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0001.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2017Jul/0001.html>
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> ACTION A-669-02: MK to update test so that it accepts either a 
> no-error outcome or error XQST0031, to resolve bug 30135. 
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> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30135#c2 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30135#c2>
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> J1.6 Update on related activities
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> J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)
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No update.

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> J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)
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> J1.7 Future Meetings
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> J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
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> [V48] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Feb/0000.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Feb/0000.html>
We have been chartered for another two years. Andy will clarify this with Liam.
ACTION A-670-02: Andy to create a new monthly schedule for teleconference meetings.
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> J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
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> J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
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> J2. Documents For Review
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> J3. Maintenance Issues
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> J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
> earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
> Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
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> This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
> reported against the 3.1 suite of specifications.
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> J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
> XSLT WG documents
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> J4. Active Specification Development
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> ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
> If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
> independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
> then this can be brought back on the agenda.
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> J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Andy)
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> J4.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt>
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> J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
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> J4.2.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt>
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> J4.2.1 Bug 30151 - [FO31] The function fn:boolean does not have properties 
> like determinism defined
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30151 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30151>
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> Status: Ready to discuss

Mike Kay agrees with the bug issue comment that this is a simple omission. fn:boolean is the only one without a properties section in the fn namespace. However on the operators we are inconsistent. With the operators we could provide a default notation to describe what should happen with the operators without a properties section.

DECIDED to accept bug 30151

ACTION A-670-03: - Mike Kay to create an errata entry for the bug 30151 - Write properties section for fn:boolean and to provide text for what the default is for operators without a properties section.


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> J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
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> J4.3.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt>
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> J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
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> J4.4.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt>
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> J4.4.1 Bug 30155 - [XP31] The term "Query environment" is not defined or 
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> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30155 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30155>
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> Status: Ready to discuss

MikeKay agrees that the term is not well defined. But is not sure if it is productive to reopen this discussion.
MikeKay proposes that we should not touch this one, but say to close this bug as 'works for me’.
Michaekdyck raised point about this terminology in other fussy area for XPath for XQuery.

See links mentioned by MichaelDyck:
Dynamic context https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html#eval_context <https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html#eval_context>
Also https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html#dt-external-function <https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html#dt-external-function>

Andy the term query environment is only used twice, but not as a definition.

Michael Sperberg-McQueen - Suggests to replace 'query environment' with 'XPath environment' in the XPath specification.

ACTION A-670-04: Andy to ask Jonathan to address bug 30155. To create errata document or just close it.

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> J4.4.2 Bug 30169 - [XP31] Definition of pure union type allows unions with 
> unions that have lists
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30169 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=30169>
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> Status: Ready to discuss

MikeKay - What we stated was correct but mentioned that transitive membership is a technical term from the XSD spec. Maybe we should call out the term.
Andy - We should close it but happy for it to go down the route of an errata document.

ACTION A-670-05: Andy to respond to bug 30169.
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> J4.4.3 Mailing list - Casting to xs:numeric from derived numeric types
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Aug/0001.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2017Aug/0001.html>
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> Status: Ready to discuss

To discuss when Abel is in the meeting or address in email.


J4.4.4 Question about examples of "?" operator for maps and arrays
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qt-comments/2017Jul/0038.html
Status: Ready to discuss

Andy - Editorial bug

DECIDED WG agrees that that the bug described in July message 38 should be fixed with an errata document


ACTION A-670-06: Andy to open a new bug for July message 38.

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> J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
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> (none)
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> J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
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> J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
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> J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results
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> Status: Currently five implementers submitted results
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> J5. Progression of Work
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> J5.1 XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, Serialization 
> 3.1
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> J5.1.1 Current status
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> * Recommendation
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> J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
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> J5.2 Update 3.0
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> J5.2.1 Current Status
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> * Working Group Note
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> Insufficient resources and interest to continue development
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> J6. Any other business
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> J6.1 Consideration of future work
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> J6.1.1 QT 3.2
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> The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
> but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
> period of time after finishing the specifications. 
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> J6.1.2 FT 3.1
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> Currently inadequate interest and resources
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> J6.1.3 Update 3.1
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> Currently inadequate interest and resources
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> J7. Adjourn
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> Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
> 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
> maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
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> Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
> problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
> specifications.
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> Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents
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> (none)
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> Q2. Active Specification Development
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> Q2.1 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
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> Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt>
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> (none)
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> Q2.2 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
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> Q2.2.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt>
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> (none)
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> Q3. Test Suite Development
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> Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
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> * Need test suite developer/manager
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> * Need tests 
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> Q4. Any other business
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> Q5. Adjourn

Meeting was adjourned.

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