MINUTES XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #659 Agenda 2016-11-01 from Josh Spiegel on 2016-11-01 (public-xsl-query@w3.org from November 2016)

From: Josh Spiegel <josh.spiegel@oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query@w3.org>
Message-ID: <AA90D78B-BFC0-4BDA-A292-7AFF37EA3790@oracle.com>
> On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Andrew Coleman <andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #659 Agenda 2016-11-01 
> 
> 
> Andy will chair this meeting. 
> 
> PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED 
> AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER! 
> 
> Changes in this agenda: 
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> 
> 
> This week, I'd like us to work on the following items: 
> J4.2 (F&O) 
> J4.6 (Test suite) 
> Q2.3 (XQuery) 
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> 
> Key: 
> J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting; 
> Q = Query-only meeting 
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> 
> Teleconference connection details 
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> (Member only) 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html> 
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> SUMMARY OF DECISIONS 
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> 


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> NEW ACTION ITEMS 
> ================ 
> 

ACTION A-659-01 Andy to apply changes for bugs 29967 and 29968.
ACTION A-659-02 Mike to apply change proposed in comment 2 of bug 29918.
ACTION A-659-03 Mike to apply change proposed in comment 3 of bug 29951.
ACTION A-659-04 Mike to review bug 29789.
ACTION A-659-05 Mike and O'Neil to review to review the tests that aren't currently being passed and establish the reasons.

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> 
> 
> =================================================== 
> Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group 
> =================================================== 
> 
> 
> J1. Administrative Items 
> 
> J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) 
> 
> Josh has been asked to take the minutes.  Mike has been asked to stand by. 
> 
> 
> NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
> meeting. 
> 
> 
> Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): 
> ---------------------------------------------------------- 
> (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
> participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
> name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
> meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
> the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. 
> 
> Jonathan Robie      - 2016-07-05, 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05 
> Mike Kay            - 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01 
> O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02 
> Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-09-27, 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09 
> Michael Dyck        - 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08 
> Abel Braaksma       - 2016-10-18, 2016-06-28 
> Liam Quin           - 2016-10-25, 2016-09-13, 2016-05-03 

Josh Spiegel        - 2016-11-01, 2016-07-19, 2016-03-15

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> 
> 
> J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE 
> 
> 

O'Neil Delpratt, Josh Spiegel, Andrew Coleman, Mike Kay, Michael Dyck

> 
> 
> XML Query WG membership list: 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org> 
> 
> XSL WG membership list: 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org> 
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> 
> Regrets: 
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> 
> J1.3 Approval of agenda 
> 
> J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? 
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> 

Added two bugs to XDM and one bug to FNO.

> 
> J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items 
> 
> J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #658 (Liam) 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0033.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0033.html> 
> 

Approved.


> 
> J1.5 Review of action items 
> 
> NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items! 
> 
> J1.5.1 Outstanding action items 
> 



> 
> ACTION A-655-05: Jonathan Robie to make a proposal to resolve bug 29858 "Named 
> Function References - context information". 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-655-06: Jonathan Robie to review the use of the verb "denote" in the 
> XPath and XQuery specs. 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-656-05: Josh to implement the fix in comment 1 of bug 29868 (XQueryX 
> stylesheet does not always convert arrowExpr to XQuery correctly). 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified. 
> 

ETA  2016-11-08

> 
> ACTION A-657-01: Jonathan to review XDM 3.1 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25 
> 



> 
> ACTION A-657-02: Abel to finish reviewing F&O 3.1 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-12: ABr to create more tests for fn:transform, as he describes in bug 29834 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified. 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-01 Liam to review XDM 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-15 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-02 Andy to review XDM 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-15 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-03 Josh to review XQuery 3.1 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-15 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-07 Liam to review MIME type registration for XQuery 3.1 
> 
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified. 
> 
> 
> 
> J1.5.2 Completed action items 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-04: MKay to update text of the FOJS error codes to include map/array functions where appropriate, see bug 29928 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29928#c3 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29928#c3> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-13: MKay to look at the tests in bug 29883 and suggest a fix 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29883#c1 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29883#c1> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-14: O'Neil to look at bug 29931 on collations to add dependencies for these tests 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0032.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0032.html> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-18: O'Neil to look at tests fn-transform-2, 26, 27 to improve them and actually test the caching, see Bug 29942 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0028.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0028.html> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-657-19: O'Neil to look at tests cbcl-cast-gYear-003 and cbcl-cast-gYearMonth-004 and to fix as proposed by MKay in comment #7 of bug 29547 (drop errors as allowed result) 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0027.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0027.html> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-04 Mike Kay to implement comment 4 of 29939 base URI of stylesheet 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29939#c6 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29939#c6> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-05 Mike Kay to implement comment 4 of 29940 fn:transform serialization parameter override 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29940#c6 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29940#c6> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-06 Tim to address bug 29946 on test results in view of spec change 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0035.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0035.html> 
> 
> 
> ACTION A-658-08 Liam to ping i18n for review/sign-off on 3.1 
> 
> Status: Closed; See 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0037.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0037.html> 
> 
> 
> 
> J1.6 Update on related activities 
> 
> J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) 
> 
> 




> 
> J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike) 
> 
> 
> 
> J1.7 Future Meetings 
> 
> J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule 
> 
> [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html> 
> 
> 
> 
> J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings 
> 
> J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> J2. Documents For Review 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> 
> J3. Maintenance Issues 
> 
> J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
> earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
> Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. 
> 
> This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
> reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. 
> 
> 
> J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential 
> completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 
> 
> Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. 
>         Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG 
>         consultation. 
> 
> 
> J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
> XSLT WG documents 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> 
> J4. Active Specification Development 
> 
> 
> ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda. 
> If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two 
> independent participants to develop the spec and implementations), 
> then this can be brought back on the agenda. 
> 
> 
> 
> J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm) 
> 
> J4.1.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> 

J4.1.1 Bug 29967 - [XDM 3.1] Arrays in XDM

Accepted.  

Bug 29968 - [XDM 3.1] XDM - implied limit on array size

Accepted.  

ACTION A-659-01 Andy to apply changes for bugs 29967 and 29968.


> 
> J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) 
> 
> J4.2.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> 
> J4.2.1 Bug 29918 - [FO31] map:find ordering constraint prevents streaming evaluation 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29918 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29918> 
> 
> Status: Ready to discuss 

Accepted change proposed in comment 2.

ACTION A-659-02 Mike to apply change proposed in comment 2 of bug 29918.

> 
> 
> J4.2.2 Bug 29951 - [FO31] fn-transform "saved" 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29951 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29951> 
> 
> Status: Ready to discuss 
> 

Accept resolution in comment 3 of bug 29951. 

ACTION A-659-03 Mike to apply change proposed in comment 3 of bug 29951.

J4.2.3 Bug 29963 - [FO31] Relation item type vs list types

> 
> J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) 
> 
> J4.3.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) 
> 
> J4.4.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> 
> J4.4.1 Bug 29858 - [XP31] Named Function References - context information 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29858 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29858> 
> 
> Status: Pending completion of A-655-05 
> 
> 
> 
> J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) 
> 
> J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools 
> 
> 
> J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results 
> 
> Status: Currently three implementers submitted results 
> 
> 

ACTION A-659-04 Mike to review bug 29789.


ACTION A-659-05  on Mike and O'Neil to review to review the tests that aren't currently being passed and establish the reasons.



> 
> J5. Progression of Work 
> 
> J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
> Serialization 3.1 
> 
> J5.1.1 Current status 
> 
> * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports 
> 
> * Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0 
> 
> 
> J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression 
> 
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof 
> 
> * Detailed review of specifications by WG 
> 
> Participant assigned to each document for detailed review 
>   - XDM 3.1           - Liam/Andy 
>   - XPath 3.1         - Mike Kay 
>   - F&O 3.1           - Abel 
>   - Serialization 3.1 - Tim 
>   - XQuery 3.1        - Josh 
>   - XQueryX 3.1       - Andy 
> 
> 
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters 
> 
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request 
> 
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request 
> 
> 
> 
> J5.2 Update 3.0 
> 
> J5.2.1 Current Status 
> 
> * In Last Call Working Draft 
> 
> At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without plans for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide what to do with this spec. 
> 
> Status: Ready to discuss 
> 
> 
> 
> J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite 
> 
> 
> J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression 
> 
> * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request 
> 
> * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory 
> 
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof 
> 
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters 
> 
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request 
> 
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request 
> 
> 
> 
> J6. Any other business 
> 
> J6.1 Consideration of future work 
> 
> J6.1.1 QT 3.2 
> 
> The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, 
> but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a 
> period of time after finishing the specifications. 
> 
> 
> J6.1.2 FT 3.1 
> 
> Currently inadequate interest and resources 
> 
> 
> J6.1.3 Update 3.1 
> 
> Currently inadequate interest and resources 
> 
> 
> 
> J7. Adjourn 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ======================= 
> XML Query Working Group 
> ======================= 
> 
> Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
> 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
> maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. 
> 
> Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
> problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
> specifications. 
> 
> 
> Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> 
> Q2. Active Specification Development 
> 
> Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) 
> 
> Q2.1.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. 
> 
> 
> Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) 
> See 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html> 
> 
> * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
> (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
> be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. 
> 
> 
> Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) 
> 
> Q2.3.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> 
> Q2.3.1 Bug 29959 - [xq31] fn:put() 
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29959 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29959> 
> 
> Status: Ready to discuss 
> 
> 
> 
> Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) 
> 
> Q2.4.0 Internal working draft 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html> 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt> 
> 
> (none) 
> 
> 
> Q3. Test Suite Development 
> 
> Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????) 
> 
> * Need test suite developer/manager 
> 
> * Need tests 
> 
> 
> 
> Q4. Any other business 
> 
> 
> 
> Q5. Adjourn 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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