- From: Tim Mills <tim@cbcl.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 17:50:30 +0100
- To: public-xsl-query@w3.org
MINUTES XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #643 Agenda 2016-05-10
Andy will chair this meeting.
PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!
Changes in this agenda:
This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.4 (XPath)
Q2.3 (XQuery)
Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting
Teleconference connection details
---------------------------------
MINUTES
(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html
SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
properly applied.
DECISION: MikeK to fix definition of array:join so that joining zero
arrays returns an empty array. (ACTION A-643-02).
DECISION: Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers in fn:doc etc. Adopted Plan
A. normative text remains as is (inconsistent funcitons), add health
warning on doc()
NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
"that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
accompanied by their titles.
ACTION A-643-01: MikeK to update proposal on Bug 29555.
ACTION A-643-02: MikeK to fix definition of array:join so that joining
zero arrays returns an empty array.
ACTION A-643-03: MikeK to address Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers in
fn:doc etc. Adopted Plan A. normative text remains as is (inconsistent
funcitons), add health warning on doc()
ACTION A-643-04: JRobie and Tim to draw up a proposal to resolve bug
29586 (funciton item types).
ACTION A-643-05: Andy to investigate how to solve Q2.3.2 Bug 29610 -
Differing namespace definitions for xqt-errors.
===================================================
Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
===================================================
J1. Administrative Items
J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
John has been asked to take the minutes. Adam has been asked to stand by.
NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
meeting.
Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
----------------------------------------------------------
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
John Snelson - 2015-01-12, 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02
Adam Retter - 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09
Michael Dyck - 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01
Josh Spiegel - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08
Norm Walsh - 2016-04-05, 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22
Jonathan Robie - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29
O'Neil Delpratt - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27
Mike Kay - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10
Liam Quin - 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06
Abel Braaksma -
Tim Mills - 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08
J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.
XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org
XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org
* Abel Braaksma
* Andy Coleman
* O'Neil Delpratt
* Michael Dyck
* Mike Kay
* Tim Mills
* Liam Quin
* Jonathan Robie
* Michael Sperberg-McQueen
* Josh Spiegel
? John Snelson (IRC)
? Adam Retter (IRC)
Regrets:
* Norm Walsh
J1.3 Approval of agenda
APPROVED.
J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?
J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #642 (Liam)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0003.html
ACCEPTED.
J1.5 Review of action items
NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!
J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
ACTION A-637-02: JRobie to include the note in Comment #8 of Bug 29419.
Note also comment #11.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-640-02: Mdyck to implemented proposal in the appendix A of the
XPath and XQuery specs as described in 2b. Also to make change in the
applet and ensure tests cases are updated in the test suite.
Primary one is map-constructor. See:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
- part a) Change spec - DONE
- part b) Change applets
- part c) Change test suite
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-640-03: Jonathan to document the decision: Partial function
application never returns a map or an array. if $F is a map or an array
then $F(?) is legal, it returns a function and the function is not a map
or an array.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-640-04: Jonathan Robie to resolve Bug #29277 by making the
changes from comment #20 items 2 and 5.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-641-03 (bug 29583) Jonathan to add xs:anySimpleType to the list
of types for which there is no constructor function.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-641-04 (bug 29277) Jonathan to make the editorial changes needed.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-641-05 (bug 29509) Jonathan to make a proposal to resolve this
bug.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-641-09 (bug 29547) (year zero) OND to apply the resolution: make
these tests (a) dependent on support for XSD 1.1, and (b) allow an
FODT0001 result for implementations whose minimum year is 0001.
Status: CLOSED.
ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to
resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-14 on Jonathan and Michael Dyck to agree revised wording to
resolve the potential ambiguity in the resolution of action A-636-08 as
described in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0020.html.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-15 (bug 29576) (date/time limits) on Jonathan to apply the
proposed text in comment #1 of the bug report.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-642-01 Mike Kay to incorporate changes for 29555 into F&O
for width modifiers
Status: OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS. See A-643-01.
ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug
29588
to make the prose normative for duplicate keys
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search
terms)
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-642-05 MDyck to update the spec to reflect NCName:*/*:NCName
change to option 1a as per
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
[this is the decision regarding parsing MapConstructorEntry]
Status: CLOSED.
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0026.html
ACTION A-642-06 Tim to write out consequences of his proposal in 29586
for the judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)
Status: CLOSED.
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0025.html
J1.5.2 Completed action items
ACTION A-641-01 on Liam to make the front page of the old test suite
documentation (
https://dev.w3.org/2006/xquery-test-suite/PublicPagesStagingArea/)
essentially say that the 1.0 test suite is superseded by the 3.0 test
suite (which identifies those tests that are suitable for running under
1.0). Also to update the links (or their annotation) appearing on
https://www.w3.org/XML/Query/#hardcore.
Status: Closed; See
https://dev.w3.org/2006/xquery-test-suite/PublicPagesStagingArea/
ACTION A-641-02 (bug 29555) MK to propose a precise algorithm for
computing min and max width of a format-date component; also define an
error when min>max.
Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555#c10
ACTION A-641-06 (bug 29546) OND to implement the agreed resolution: tests
that require construction of dates with negative years should have an
alternative result of error FODT0001.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0002.html
ACTION A-641-07 (bug 29573) (fallback language and calendar) OND to
implement the resolution: make the test assertion more liberal, ie. do not
require anything that the spec doesn't require. (Done by MK after the
meeting)
Status: Closed; Reported in last week's meeting
ACTION A-641-08 (bug 29590) (Circularities) OND to implement the
resolution: change the test so there is no possibility of infinite
function-call recursion
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0002.html
ACTION A-641-10 (bug 29589) (multiple module imports) MK to apply
documentation changes to explain the expectations of the test suite
<module> element. (DONE after the meeting).
Status: Closed; Reported in last week's meeting
ACTION A-641-12 (bug 29572) (an integer is acceptable where decimal is
required) MK to change the expected test results so that an integer is
acceptable where the specification mandates a decimal.
Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29572#c2
ACTION A-641-13 (bug 29571) on Jonathan and Tim to agree a Note to add to
the spec to make it clear to readers that when T is a list type, T(x) cast
as T will typically fail.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0008.html
ACTION A-641-17 (bug 29586) John Snelson (as the expert on 2.5.6.2 The
judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)), to respond to this bug.
Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586#c5
ACTION A-642-04 Josh to create test cases for NCName:* change to 1b in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0004.html
J1.6 Update on related activities
J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)
J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)
J1.7 Future Meetings
J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
[V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html
J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
(none)
J2. Documents For Review
(none)
J3. Maintenance Issues
J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.
J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1
Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
consultation.
J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
XSLT WG documents
(none)
J4. Active Specification Development
** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.
J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)
J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt
J4.2.1 Bug 29607 - [FO31] array join
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29607
Status: Ready to discuss
ACTION A-643-02: MikeK to fix definition of array:join so that joining
zero arrays returns an empty array.
J4.2.2 Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers: fn:doc vs. fn:unparsed-text
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29608
Status: Ready to discuss
VOTED ON
Plan A: normative text remains as is (inconsistent funcitons), add
health warning on doc()
Plan B: change unparsed-text() to allow fragment identifiers, add
health warnings to both
Plan A wins 4:2.
DECISION: Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers in fn:doc etc. Adopted Plan
A. normative text remains as is (inconsistent funcitons), add health
warning on doc()
ACTION A-643-03: MikeK to address Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers in
fn:doc etc. Adopted Plan A. normative text remains as is (inconsistent
funcitons), add health warning on doc()
J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
J4.4.1 Bug 29509 - Functions: External, Implementation-Defined, Host
Language
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29509
Status: Pending completion of A-641-05
J4.4.2 Bug 29419 - [XP31] edge case with negative integer literals
(UnaryExpr) and limits for -9223372036854775808, which cannot be parsed
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29419
Status: Pending completion of A-637-02
This bug was reopened after this action item was raised - is there more to
discuss on this?
J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
J4.5.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796
Status: REMOVE FROM AGENDA.
J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results
Status: Currently three implementers submitted results
J5. Progression of Work
J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
Serialization 3.1
J5.1.1 Current status
* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports
J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J5.2 Update 3.0
J5.2.1 Current Status
* In Last Call Working Draft
At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found
no great enthusiasm for doing the work. We cannot progress without plans
for a test suite and potential implementers. The WG needs to decide what
to do with this spec.
Status: Ready to discuss
J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite
J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J6. Any other business
J6.1 Consideration of future work
J6.1.1 QT 3.2
The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications.
J6.1.2 FT 3.1
Currently inadequate interest and resources
J6.1.3 Update 3.1
Currently inadequate interest and resources
J7. Adjourn
=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================
Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.
Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents
(none)
Q2. Active Specification Development
Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)
Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt
* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.
Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.
Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
Q2.3.1 Bug 29586 - [XQ31] 2.5.6.2 The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586
Status: Pending completion of A-642-06
ACTION A-643-04: JRobie and Tim to draw up a proposal to resolve bug 29586.
Q2.3.2 Bug 29610 - Differing namespace definitions for xqt-errors
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29610
Status: Ready to discuss
ACTION A-643-05: Andy to investigate how to solve Q2.3.2 Bug 29610 -
Differing namespace definitions for xqt-errors.
Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
Q3. Test Suite Development
Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
* Need test suite developer/manager
* Need tests
Q4. Any other business
Q5. Adjourn
Received on Friday, 6 May 2016 11:27:45 UTC
This message: [ Message body ]
Next message: Abel Braaksma: "Expressions like $X castable as
xs:NOTATION"
Previous message: Liam R. E. Quin: "Re: completed action A-640-02a:
require space after colon in specs"
Mail actions: [ respond to this message ] [ mail a new topic ]
Contemporary messages sorted: [ by date ] [ by thread ] [ by
subject ] [ by author ]
Help: [ How to use the archives ] [ Search in the archives ]
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Friday, 6 May 2016
11:27:45 UTC
Received on Tuesday, 10 May 2016 16:51:04 UTC