- From: Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 14:10:54 -0400
- To: Andrew Coleman <andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com>, public-xsl-query@w3.org
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 13:55 +0100, Andrew Coleman wrote: DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #642 Agenda 2016-05-03 This week, I'd like us to work on the following items: J4.2 (F&O) J4.4 (XPath) Q2.3 (XQuery) SUMMARY OF DECISIONS ==================== DECISION: revert NCName:* change to option 1a as per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html [this is the decision regarding parsing MapConstructorEntry] NEW ACTION ITEMS ================ ACTION A-642-01 Mike Kay to incorporate changes for 29555 into F&O for width modifiers ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug 29588 to make the prose normative for duplicate keys ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search terms) ACTION A-642-04 Josh to create test cases for NCName:* change to 1b in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html ACTION A-642-05 MDyck to update the spec to reflect NCName:*/*:NCName change to option 1a as per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html [this is the decision regarding parsing MapConstructorEntry] ACTION A-642-06 Tim to write out consequences of his proposal in 29586 for the judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi) =================================================== Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group =================================================== J1. Administrative Items J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) Liam took minutes. Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): ---------------------------------------------------------- (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. John Snelson - 2015-01-12, 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02 Liam Quin - 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16 Adam Retter - 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21 Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09 Michael Dyck - 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01 Josh Spiegel - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08 Tim Mills - 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08, 2015-09-15 Norm Walsh - 2016-04-05, 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22 Jonathan Robie - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29 O'Neil Delpratt - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27 Mike Kay - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10 J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE Present: Liam Andy Michael Sperberg-McQueen Josh Michael Dyck Michael Kay Norm Walsh O'Neil Tim Mills Regrets: John Rugrats: None. J1.3 Approval of agenda J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0000.html added under J4.4 J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #641 (MikeK) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0033.html accepted J1.5 Review of action items J1.5.1 Outstanding action items ACTION A-637-02: JRobie to include the note in Comment #8 of Bug 29419. Note also comment #11. Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17 ACTION A-640-02: Mdyck to implemented proposal in the appendix A of the XPath and XQuery specs as described in 2b. Also to make change in the applet and ensure tests cases are updated in the test suite. Primary one is map-constructor. See: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html - part a) Change spec - DONE - part b) Change applets - part c) Change test suite Status: Pending; ETA not specified. Found there were rather a lot of changes needed but hit a snag; see J4.4.3 ACTION A-640-03: Jonathan to document the decision: Partial function application never returns a map or an array. if $F is a map or an array then $F(?) is legal, it returns a function and the function is not a map or an array. Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17 ACTION A-640-04: Jonathan Robie to resolve Bug #29277 by making the changes from comment #20 items 2 and 5. Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17 ACTION A-641-01 on Liam to make the front page of the old test suite documentation ( https://dev.w3.org/2006/xquery-test-suite/PublicPagesStagingArea/) essentially say that the 1.0 test suite is superseded by the 3.0 test suite (which identifies those tests that are suitable for running under 1.0). Also to update the links (or their annotation) appearing on https://www.w3.org/XML/Query/#hardcore. done ACTION A-641-02 (bug 29555) MK to propose a precise algorithm for computing min and max width of a format-date component; also define an error when min>max. done ACTION A-641-03 (bug 29583) Jonathan to add xs:anySimpleType to the list of types for which there is no constructor function. Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ACTION A-641-04 (bug 29277) Jonathan to make the editorial changes needed. Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ACTION A-641-05 (bug 29509) Jonathan to make a proposal to resolve this bug. Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ACTION A-641-06 (bug 29546) OND to implement the agreed resolution: tests that require construction of dates with negative years should have an alternative result of error FODT0001. done ACTION A-641-07 (bug 29573) (fallback language and calendar) OND to implement the resolution: make the test assertion more liberal, ie. do not require anything that the spec doesn't require. (Done by MK after the meeting) done ACTION A-641-08 (bug 29590) (Circularities) OND to implement the resolution: change the test so there is no possibility of infinite function-call recursion done ACTION A-641-09 (bug 29547) (year zero) OND to apply the resolution: make these tests (a) dependent on support for XSD 1.1, and (b) allow an FODT0001 result for implementations whose minimum year is 0001. pending, ETA 10th May ACTION A-641-10 (bug 29589) (multiple module imports) MK to apply documentation changes to explain the expectations of the test suite <module> element. (DONE after the meeting). done ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report. In progress; some already done. ACTION A-641-12 (bug 29572) (an integer is acceptable where decimal is required) MK to change the expected test results so that an integer is acceptable where the specification mandates a decimal. done ACTION A-641-13 (bug 29571) on Jonathan and Tim to agree a Note to add to the spec to make it clear to readers that when T is a list type, T(x) cast as T will typically fail. In progress, note drafted by Tim but not yet sent to Jonathan ACTION A-641-14 on Jonathan and Michael Dyck to agree revised wording to resolve the potential ambiguity in the resolution of action A-636-08 as described in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0020.html . ACTION A-641-15 (bug 29576) (date/time limits) on Jonathan to apply the proposed text in comment #1 of the bug report. Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ACTION A-641-17 (bug 29586) John Snelson (as the expert on 2.5.6.2 The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)), to respond to this bug. done J1.5.2 Completed action items ACTION A-640-01: Mike Kay to resolve Bug 29570 as described in comment #0 Status: Closed; bug was a duplicate ACTION A-641-16 (bug 29568) (applet problem with \uHHHH) on MDyck to see if we can find a way forward on this bug. Status: Closed; See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0036.html J1.6 Update on related activities J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike) Mike has raised a bug agsint XSLT about inconsistancies in some of the XML to JSON functions. J1.7 Future Meetings J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings (none) J2. Documents For Review (none) J3. Maintenance Issues J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG consultation. J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and XSLT WG documents (none) J4. Active Specification Development ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda. If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two independent participants to develop the spec and implementations), then this can be brought back on the agenda. J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm) J4.1.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31 /html/Overview.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31 /html/Overview-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31 /src/changes.txt (none) J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) J4.2.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31 /html/Overview.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31 /html/Overview-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31 /src/changes.txt J4.2.1 Bug 29555 - [FO31] 9.8.4.2 The Width Modifier https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555 Status: Pending completion of A-641-02 Mike Kay did some work on fractional seconds but questions came up on other areas, and in particular the interaction of width modifier and separator. I've filled in another gap in the patchwork of rules... Josh notes there may still be some weird corner cases but it's probably OK. Year truncation is a "should" - do we want to keep it that way? ACTION A-642-01 Mike Kay to incorporate changes for 29555 into F&O for width modifiers J4.2.2 Bug 29588 - [fo31] xml-to-json - rules for duplicate keys https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29588 We rely on the Schema rules for uniqueness (for keys) but that doesn't quite have the desired effect. It disallows some keys that are not duplicates and allows some that are. If you create JSON it's not a problem, but from XML the schema and spec today don't prevent problems. Mike proposes making the prose normative as it's too hard to express in a Schema. ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug 29588 to make the prose normative for duplicate keys J4.2.3 Bug 29593 - [FO31] search terms https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29593 ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search terms) J4.2.4 Bug 29496 - [FO31] parse-ietf-date with military timezones and leniency towards single-digit numbers https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29496 Status: REOPENED: Ready to discuss DECISION: for bug 29496, retain status quo with no further changes, allowing TZ 130. J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) J4.3.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial ization-31/html/Overview.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial ization-31/html/Overview-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial ization-31/src/changes.txt (none) J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) J4.4.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpa th-31.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpa th-31-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/chan ges.txt J4.4.1 Bug 29509 - Functions: External, Implementation-Defined, Host Language https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29509 Status: Pending completion of A-641-05 J4.4.2 Bug 29419 - [XP31] edge case with negative integer literals (UnaryExpr) and limits for -9223372036854775808, which cannot be parsed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29419 Status: Pending completion of A-637-02 This bug was reopened after this action item was raised - is there more to discuss on this? J4.4.3 (new item) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0000.html Josh: over 100 tests will have to be changed and some reasonable things will be made into syntax errors. Prefer to change NCName production. MDyck: we had two alternatives, Josh's and the path we took, to disallow. In the first, we'd change how things were parsed. Revisiting the original decision to require the space in all cases; looking for an unambiguous solution that's less invasive than the current (new) approach. Applets already operate under assumption 1 and have been for years. Mike Kay OK with option 1; Tim also OK; both have been waiting. No objections to changing previous decision to option 1. based on implemention feedback from josh and MDyck's applet, we encounter fewer problems with option w - March message 35 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html option 1a. Josh and MDyck have both implemented something closer to 1b but that requires more spec changes. But support 1a in the spec. DECISION: revert NCName:*/*:NCName change to option 1a as per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html ACTION A-642-04 Josh to create test cases for NCName:* change to 1b in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html ACTION A-642-05 MDyck to update the spec to reflect NCName:*/*:NCName change to option 1a as per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) J4.5.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar applets http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 closed, fixed J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools (no discussion needed) J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results Status: Currently three implementers submitted results J5. Progression of Work J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, Serialization 3.1 J5.1.1 Current status * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request J5.2 Update 3.0 J5.2.1 Current Status * In Last Call Working Draft At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found no great enthusiasm for doing the work. We cannot progress without plans for a test suite and potential implementers. The WG needs to decide what to do with this spec. Status: Ready to discuss J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request J6. Any other business J6.1 Consideration of future work J6.1.1 QT 3.2 The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a period of time after finishing the specifications. J6.1.2 FT 3.1 Currently inadequate interest and resources J6.1.3 Update 3.1 Currently inadequate interest and resources J7. Adjourn ======================= XML Query Working Group ======================= Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of specifications. Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents (none) Q2. Active Specification Development Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) Q2.1.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/h tml/Overview.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/h tml/Overview-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/s rc/changes.txt * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/htm l/Overview.html * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) Q2.3.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xqu ery-31.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xqu ery-31-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/chan ges.txt Q2.3.1 Bug 29586 - [XQ31] 2.5.6.2 The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi) https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586 Status: Pending completion of A-641-16 ACTION A-642-06 Tim to write out consequences of his proposal in 29586 for the judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi) Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) Q2.4.0 Internal working draft http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Ov erview.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Ov erview-diff.html http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/cha nges.txt (none) Q3. Test Suite Development Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????) * Need test suite developer/manager * Need tests Q4. Any other business Q5. Adjourn -- Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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