- From: Robie, Jonathan <jonathan.robie@emc.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 23:05:00 +0000
- To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D3A45859.18E12%jonathan.robie@emc.com>
Minutes from Tuesday’s meeting. Jonathan > SUMMARY OF DECISIONS > ==================== > Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the > decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if > agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a > decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must > state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in > comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new > production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision > months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was > properly applied. Serialization: Decision: We accept the proposal in Bug 29703, comment #0. XPath 3.1: Decided: Adopt this text as the resolution of Bug 29700: Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears. > NEW ACTION ITEMS > ================ > Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that > is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were > assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", > "that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this > problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional > minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire > WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear > action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require > dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are > accompanied by their titles. Serialization: Action 649-01: Andy to implement the resolution of Bug 29703. ETA 2016-07-12. XPath 3.1: Action 649-02: Jonathan to add the text "Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears." as the resolution of Bug 29700. Action 649-03: mdyck to resolve Bug 29702 at his discretion. QT3 Test Suite: Action 649-04: Abel to report test results. > =================================================== > Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group > =================================================== > > > J1. Administrative Items > > J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) > > Jonathan has been asked to take the minutes. O'Neil has been asked to > stand by. > > > NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the > meeting. > > > Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): > ---------------------------------------------------------- > (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each > participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose > name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the > meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then > the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. > > Josh Spiegel - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08 > Jonathan Robie - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29 > O'Neil Delpratt - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27 > Mike Kay - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10 > Liam Quin - 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06 > Tim Mills - 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08 > John Snelson - 2016-05-24, 2016-01-12, 2015-07-16 > Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03 > Michael Dyck - 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17 > Adam Retter - 2016-06-21, 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20 > Abel Braaksma - 2016-06-27 > > > > J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE > > Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex > participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent > regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets. > > > XML Query WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org > > XSL WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org > > > Regrets: > > > > > J1.3 Approval of agenda > > J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? > > > > J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items > > J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #648 (Abel) > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0086.html Accepted without change. > J1.5 Review of action items > > NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items! > > J1.5.1 Outstanding action items > > > ACTION A-645-05: Serialization editors (AC, MSM) to discuss bug 29664 > offline and come back with a proposal. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05 New ETA 2016-07-12. > ACTION A-645-06: Serialization editors (AC, MSM) to come back with a > proposal for bug 29665. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05 New ETA 2016-07-12. > ACTION A-645-08: TM to test the schema prepared by MSM to address the > issue raised in bug 29658. (Depends on action A-645-07.) > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jul/0001.html > ACTION A-645-09: JS to test the schema prepared by MSM to address the > issue raised in bug 29658. (Depends on action A-645-07.) > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. No change. > ACTION A-646-02: JRobie to make the changes outlined in bug 29683 > comments 2 and 3 (re map lookup). > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05 New ETA 2016-07-12. > ACTION A-647-01 Michael Kay to close bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555 and resolve, by > updating the spec in alignment with his comments #15 and #16. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05 New ETA 2016-07-19. > ACTION A-647-07 Jonathan Robie to change the spec to add Tim's proposal in > comment #21 of bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-07-05 New ETA 2016-07-12. > ACTION A-648-01: in the Serialization XSD, fix the whitespace and make it > MSXML4 compatible and fix any other issues that were raised in that thread > (see > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0078.html) > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. New ETA 2016-07-12. Assign to Michael Sperberg-McQueen. > ACTION A-648-02: O'Neil to generate a test report running only XQ31 and > XP31 tests and to report internally before publishing > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. Done. > J1.5.2 Completed action items > > > ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to > resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report. > > Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting > > > ACTION A-646-06: Jonathan to add comment 0 of bug 29622 to the XPath spec. > > Status: Closed; See > See: > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0079.html > > > ACTION A-647-02 Jonathan Robie to accept the change in comment #2 of bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29693 from Abel > Braaskma. > > Status: Closed; See > See: > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0080.html > > > ACTION A-647-03 O'Neil Delpratt to remove "MAY" tests described in bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29625 and close the > bug. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29625#c1 > > > ACTION A-647-04 Michael Kay to remove the function call to local:test() in > the test described by bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29597. > > Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting > > > ACTION A-647-05 Tim Mills to make the changes to the test as described in > bug > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29676. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29676#c2 > > > ACTION A-647-06 O'Neill Delpratt to remove test resolve-uri-28 describer > in > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29381. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29381#c6 > > > > J1.6 Update on related activities > > J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) No showstopper bugs right now - test results are the real bottleneck. We do not yet have a projected date for PR. > J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike) > > > > J1.7 Future Meetings > > J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule > > [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html We will take August off. > J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings > > J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings > > (none) > > > J2. Documents For Review > > (none) > > > > J3. Maintenance Issues > > J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs > earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches > Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems > reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. > > > J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential > completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 > > Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. > Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG > consultation. > > > J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and > XSLT WG documents > > (none) > > > > J4. Active Specification Development > > > ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda. > If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two > independent participants to develop the spec and implementations), > then this can be brought back on the agenda. > > > > J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm) > > J4.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) > > J4.2.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) > > J4.3.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt > > > J4.3.1 Bug 29664 - [SER31] 9.1.17 JSON Output Method: the > json-node-output-method Parameter > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29664 > > Status: Pending completion of A-645-05 > > > J4.3.2 Bug 29665 - [SER31] JSON escaping > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29665 > > Status: Pending completion of A-645-06 > > > J4.3.3 Bug 29703 - [SER31] Bring the yes/no etc of the > serialization-parameters schema in line with the way booleans are treated > in XSLT's xsl:output > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29703 > > Status: Ready to discuss Serialization: Decision: We accept the proposal in Bug 29703, comment #0. Action 649-01: Andy to implement the resolution of Bug 29703. ETA 2016-07-12. > J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) > > J4.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > > J4.4.1 Bug 29700 - [XP31] ws:explicit wording on comments is a tad > unfortunate > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29700 > > Status: Ready to discuss Decided: Adopt this text as the resolution of Bug 29700: Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears. Action 649-02: Jonathan to add the text "Comments are also not allowed in these productions except where the Comment non-terminal appears." as the resolution of Bug 29700. > > J4.4.2 Bug 29702 - [XP31] Production rules in the text not unambiguous as > a result of missing annotations > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29702 > > Status: Ready to discuss Action 649-03: mdyck to resolve Bug 29702 at his discretion. > J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) > > (none) > > > J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) > > J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools > > > J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results > > Status: Currently three implementers submitted results http://dev.saxonica.com/w3c/ReportingResults31/#spec31Facilities/report.html We could really use an additional implementation. Action 649-04: Abel to report test results. > J5. Progression of Work > > J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, > Serialization 3.1 > > J5.1.1 Current status > > * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports > > * Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0 > > > J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > J5.2 Update 3.0 > > J5.2.1 Current Status > > * In Last Call Working Draft > > At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found > no great enthusiasm for doing the work. We cannot progress without plans > for a test suite and potential implementers. The WG needs to decide what > to do with this spec. > > Status: Ready to discuss > > > > J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite > > > J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > J6. Any other business > > J6.1 Consideration of future work > > J6.1.1 QT 3.2 > > The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, > but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a > period of time after finishing the specifications. > > > J6.1.2 FT 3.1 > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > J6.1.3 Update 3.1 > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > > J7. Adjourn > > > > > ======================= > XML Query Working Group > ======================= > > Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the > 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, > maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other > problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of > specifications. > > > Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents > > (none) > > > > Q2. Active Specification Development > > Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) > > Q2.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt > > * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. > > > Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) > See > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html > > * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed > (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to > be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. > > > Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) > > Q2.3.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) > > Q2.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt > > > (none) > > > Q3. 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