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- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:32:53 +0000
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Forwarded to public mailing list... "Robie, Jonathan" <jonathan.robie@emc.com> wrote on 11/01/2016 13:42:06: > From: "Robie, Jonathan" <jonathan.robie@emc.com> > To: "w3c-xsl-query@w3.org" <w3c-xsl-query@w3.org> > Date: 11/01/2016 13:54 > Subject: Minutes: XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #628 2016-01-05 > > > SUMMARY OF DECISIONS > > ==================== > > Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during > > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > > > Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the > > decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if > > agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a > > decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must > > state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in > > comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new > > production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision > > months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was > > properly applied. > > > > > > NEW ACTION ITEMS > > ================ > > Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during > > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > > > Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that > > is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were > > assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", > > "that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this > > problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional > > minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire > > WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear > > action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require > > dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are > > accompanied by their titles. > > > Action A-628-01: Liam to discuss the status of XML Update 3.0 at XML Prague. > > Action A-628-01: Jonathan to enter the following modification to > MDyck's proposal, into the Bug 29277 and ask Abel / Mike whether this > resolves the bug: > > 1. The processor "makes the information available" as opposed to > invoking using SC and DC > 2. The Note (which is non-normative). > > Replace the note with following normative text: > > An API used to invoke external functions must state whether the > static and dynamic contexts are available to a function that is > invoked. The F&O specification states how the static and dynamic > contexts are available to a function that is invoked. A host > language must state whether and how the static and dynamic > contexts are available to a function that is invoked. > > Action A-628-02: Andy to invite Abel to join the next telcon to > discuss Bug 29346 and Bug 29277. > > Action A-628-03: O'Neil will add the order by clause to fix Bug 29337, > as proposed in the bug. > > Action A-628-04: O'Neil to close Bug 29354 as "works for me" witht > he following rationale: > > The key rationale is to decouple our spec from Unicode: using an > unassigned character may be (perhaps is) a violation of the > agreement between data source and data sink, if they have agreed to > use a particular version of Unicode. But it is not (and should not > be) a violation of our specs. Unicode may assign the character > next month or next year, and it should be possible to use the > character then, in a conforming implementation. That means it must > be possible *now* to use it in a conforming implementation. > > > =================================================== > > Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group > > =================================================== > > > > > > J1. Administrative Items > > > > J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) > > > > John has been asked to take the minutes. Jonathan has been asked to stand > > by. > > > > > > NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the > > meeting. > > > > > > Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each > > participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose > > name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the > > meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then > > the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. > > > > John Snelson - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11 > > Jonathan Robie - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13 > > Liam Quin - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10 > > Adam Retter - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20 > > O'Neil Delpratt - 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17 > > Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03 > > Mike Kay - 2015-11-10, 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14 > > Michael Dyck - 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31 > > Josh Spiegel - 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24 > > Tim Mills - 2015-12-08, 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21 > > Norm Walsh - 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05 > > > > > > > > J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE > > > > Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex > > participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent > > regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets. > > > > > > XML Query WG membership list: > > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org > > > > > > XSL WG membership list: > > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org > > > > > > > > Regrets: > > > > > > > > > > J1.3 Approval of agenda > > > > J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? > > > > > > > > J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items > > > > J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #627 (Norm) > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0026.html > > Accepted. > > > J1.5 Review of action items > > > > NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items! > > > > J1.5.1 Outstanding action items > > > > > > ACTION A-626-03: MKay to fix bug 27908 by modifying the test case to use > > an invalid URI. Bug 27908 - K2-SeqDocFunc-12 > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27908 > > > > > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. > > Still open. Due 12 January. > > > ACTION A-627-01: Michael Kay to publish a new F&O with the approved > > revised definition of fn:transform > > > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. > > Still open. Due 12 January. > > Action A-628-01: Liam to discuss the status of XML Update 3.0 at XML Prague, > > > J1.5.2 Completed action items > > > > > > ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of > > maps and arrays. (See agenda item Q2.1.1) > > > > Status: Closed; Insufficient WG interest to pursue XQUF31 > > > > > > ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update > > 3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at > > the persistence layer. > > See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html > > > > > > Status: Closed; Insufficient WG interest to pursue XQUF31 > > > > > > ACTION A-622-02: Josh Spiegel to propose changes to XQueryX to support > > new grammar for empty expressions in braces and return to group with a > > proposal. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0018.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-623-01 Andy to do what's needed to republish the XQuery CR. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0036.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-624-05 on Andy to request publication of Serialization 3.1 > > as revised CR. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0036.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-624-06 on Andy to request publication of XPath 3.1 > > as revised CR. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0036.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-625-06 on O’Neil to fix bug 29258 by splitting the tests into > > multiple versions. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0024.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-625-08 on Jonathan to propose a solution for bug 29246. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0025.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-626-01: Mike to fix F&O example to use correct XPath. > > Bug 29310 - [FO31] Invalid and ambiguous XPath expression in normative > > part of section 5.4.3 fn:substring. > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29310 > > > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29246#c7 > > > > > > > > ACTION A-626-02: JRobie to make a proposal by defining 1. external > > functions, 2. host language functions. Bug 29277 - [XP31] > > Evaluating function calls does not mention evaluation of dynamic or > > static function calls that have no FunctionBody > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29277 > > > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0023.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-626-04: JRobie to add 'switch' to the list of expressions in > > section 2.3.4 Errors and Optimization which must not raise a dynamic > > error in respect of subexpressions occurring in a branch that is not > > selected, and must not return the value delivered by a branch unless > > that branch is selected. ALSO add a note to clarify that in "if > > (condition) then 'z' else error()" z cannot be returned without > > evaluating the condition. Bug 29320 - [XQ31] Switch expressions > > should have same error semantics as typeswitch. > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29320 > > > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Dec/0022.html > > > > > > > > ACTION A-627-02: Michael Dyck to review bug #29277 and clarify what > > the text means. ETA 2016-01. > > > > Status: Closed; See > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jan/0005.html > > > > > > > > > > J1.6 Update on related activities > > > > J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) > > > > > > > > J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike) > > New Facets proposal: > http://expath.org/spec/facet/editor > > > J1.7 Future Meetings > > > > J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule > > > > [V44] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Dec/0000.html > > > > > > > > J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings > > > > J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings > > > > None scheduled. > > > > > > J2. Documents For Review > > > > (none) > > > > > > > > J3. Maintenance Issues > > > > J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs > > earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches > > Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > > > This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems > > reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. > > > > > > J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential > > completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 > > > > Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. > > Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG > > consultation. > > > > > > J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and > > XSLT WG documents > > > > J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just > > a partially ordered set? > > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568 > > > > > > Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data > > Model 3.0 > > > > > > J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1 > > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231 > > > > > > Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0 > > > > > > J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0 > > specification, like XQST0134" > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788 > > > > > > Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0 > > > > > > > > J4. Active Specification Development > > > > > > ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda. > > If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two > > independent participants to develop the spec and implementations), > > then this can be brought back on the agenda. > > > > > > > > J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm) > > > > J4.1.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > datamodel-31/html/Overview.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > datamodel-31/src/changes.txt > > > > > > (none) > > > > > > J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) > > > > J4.2.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > functions-31/html/Overview.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath- > functions-31/src/changes.txt > > > > > > > > J4.2.1 Bug 29333 - Higher-order functions and updates > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29333 > > We agree with https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29333#c1, > and will close with WORKSFORME. > > > J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) > > > > J4.3.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery- > serialization-31/html/Overview.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery- > serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery- > serialization-31/src/changes.txt > > > > > > (none) > > > > > > J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) > > > > J4.4.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/ > xpath-31.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/ > xpath-31-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > > > > > > > J4.4.1 Bug 29277 - [XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention > > evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody > > > > Status: Ready to discuss; Please review MDyck's analysis: > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jan/0005.html > > Differences in #2 wrt the current spec: > > 1. The processor "makes the information available" as opposed to > invoking using SC and DC > 2. The Note (which is non-normative). > > Replace the note with following normative text: > > An API used to invoke external functions must state whether the static > and dynamic contexts are available to a function that is invoked. The > F&O specification states how the static and dynamic contexts are > available to a function that is invoked. A host language must state > whether and how the static and dynamic contexts are available to a > function that is invoked. > > Action A-628-01: Jonathan to enter the following modification to > MDyck's proposal, into the Bug 29277 and ask Abel / Mike whether this > resolves the bug: > > 1. The processor "makes the information available" as opposed to > invoking using SC and DC > 2. The Note (which is non-normative). > > Replace the note with following normative text: > > An API used to invoke external functions must state whether the > static and dynamic contexts are available to a function that is > invoked. The F&O specification states how the static and dynamic > contexts are available to a function that is invoked. A host > language must state whether and how the static and dynamic > contexts are available to a function that is invoked. > > > > J4.4.2 Bug 29346 - [XP31] XPath-style currying, or the arrow operator, may > > require a bit more specification > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29346 > > Mike Kay believes that this proposal is correct: > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29346#c3 > > Abel has pushed back on it. We should invite him to the next call. > > This same issue was previously discussed in this thread: > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Sep/0017.html > > Action A-628-02: Andy to invite Abel to join the next telcon to > discuss Bug 29346 and Bug 29277. > > > J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) > > > > J4.5.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar > > applets > > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 > > > > > > Status: Pending > > > > > > > > J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29337 > > Decision: We agree to the proposed fix for Bug 29337. > > Action A-628-03: O'Neil will add the order by clause to fix Bug 29337, > as proposed in the bug. > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29354 > > Action A-628-04: O'Neil to close Bug 29354 as "works for me" witht he > following rationale: > > The key rationale is to decouple our spec from Unicode: using an > unassigned character may be (perhaps is) a violation of the > agreement between data source and data sink, if they have agreed to > use a particular version of Unicode. But it is not (and should not > be) a violation of our specs. Unicode may assign the character > next month or next year, and it should be possible to use the > character then, in a conforming implementation. That means it must > be possible *now* to use it in a conforming implementation. > > > J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools > > > > > > J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests > > > > Status: Coverage is almost complete. > > > > > > J4.6.3 Publication of test suite. > > > > Status: Ready to discuss > > > > > > > > J5. Progression of Work > > > > J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, > > Serialization 3.1 > > > > J5.1.1 Current status > > > > * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports > > > > > > J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > > > > > J5.2 Update 3.0 > > > > J5.2.1 Current Status > > > > * In Last Call Working Draft > > > > > > J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite > > > > > > J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > > > * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request > > > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > > > > > J6. Any other business > > > > J6.1 Consideration of future work > > > > J6.1.1 QT 3.2 > > > > The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, > > but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a > > period of time after finishing the specifications. > > > > > > J6.1.2 FT 3.1 > > > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > > > > J6.1.3 Update 3.1 > > > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > > > > > > J7. Adjourn > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > XML Query Working Group > > ======================= > > > > Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the > > 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, > > maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > > > Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other > > problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of > > specifications. > > > > Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02. > > > > Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents > > > > (none) > > > > > > > > Q2. Active Specification Development > > > > Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) > > > > Q2.1.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery- > update-30/html/Overview.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery- > update-30/html/Overview-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery- > update-30/src/changes.txt > > > > > > * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. > > > > > > Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) > > See > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/ > html/Overview.html > > > > > > * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed > > (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to > > be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. > > > > > > Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) > > > > Q2.3.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/ > xquery-31.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/ > xquery-31-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > > > > > (none) > > > > > > Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) > > > > Q2.4.0 Internal working draft > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/ > html/Overview.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/ > html/Overview-diff.html > > > > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/ > changes.txt > > > > > > (none) > > > > > > > > Q3. Test Suite Development > > > > Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????) > > > > * Need test suite developer/manager > > > > * Need tests > > > > > > > > Q4. Any other business > > > > > > > > Q5. Adjourn > > > > > > > > > > Received on Monday, 4 January 2016 10:54:06 UTC > > > > This message: [ Message body ] > > Previous message: Michael Dyck: "Re: completed A-627-02: > "clarify what the text means"" > > > > Mail actions: [ respond to this message ] [ mail a new topic ] > > Contemporary messages sorted: [ by date ] [ by thread ] [ by > subject ] [ by author ] > > Help: [ How to use the archives ] [ Search in the archives ] > > > > This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Monday, 4 January > 2016 10:54:07 UTC > >
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